Can one take a mapping program (Mapsource) with maps and create routes and
waypoints and download to the 2460LMT? In an older Garmin I have (Quest),
the maps themselves came on a DVD, loaded into your PC, and are downloaded
into the device ; you HAD to go through the computer because the Quest had
limited memory.

But since all the maps are pre-built into the 2460LMT as I understand it,
and it contains no DVD with maps, is this possible? How do people do
serious pre-route planning at home with the device so that one doesn't need
to do everything from the unit itself?

Thanks!

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Regards -

- Andrew

On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>How do people do serious pre-route planning at home with the device
>so that one doesn't need to do everything from the unit itself?

I've never had to do "serious" pre-route planning, so I'm a great
candidate for setting up routes on the unit itself. Other people have
reported using MapSource and/or Google to create waypoints, and then
use the waypoints to build a route.

"Sunshine" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>How do people do serious pre-route planning at home with the device
>>so that one doesn't need to do everything from the unit itself?
>
> I've never had to do "serious" pre-route planning, so I'm a great
> candidate for setting up routes on the unit itself. Other people have
> reported using MapSource and/or Google to create waypoints, and then
> use the waypoints to build a route.
>

The advantage to pre-planning with Mapsource is that you force the unit to
follow your directions.
This is quite handy especially with out-of-date maps. And let's face it
they are ALL out-of-date.
For instance, the shortest & best route to the airport, 90 miles away
involves a long stretch of beautifully paved country road with essentially
no speed limit. Problem is if you happen to have your unit set to avoiding
dirt roads, it will avoid this gem. Road was paved 10 years ago -- still
shows it as unpaved on 2010 maps

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Regards,
Richard Harison

LightByrd wrote:
> "Sunshine" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> How do people do serious pre-route planning at home with the device
>>> so that one doesn't need to do everything from the unit itself?
>>
>> I've never had to do "serious" pre-route planning, so I'm a great
>> candidate for setting up routes on the unit itself. Other people have
>> reported using MapSource and/or Google to create waypoints, and then
>> use the waypoints to build a route.
>>
>
> The advantage to pre-planning with Mapsource is that you force the
> unit to follow your directions.
> This is quite handy especially with out-of-date maps. And let's face
> it they are ALL out-of-date.
> For instance, the shortest & best route to the airport, 90 miles away
> involves a long stretch of beautifully paved country road with
> essentially no speed limit. Problem is if you happen to have your
> unit set to avoiding dirt roads, it will avoid this gem. Road was
> paved 10 years ago -- still shows it as unpaved on 2010 maps

So is it possible to use Mapsource - and again, how does one GET the maps if
one has a unit like the 2460LMT....do you have to buy a CD to basically
duplicate what you already have it the unit? (Actually, according to my
Quest, I can *upload* maps from the Quest via Mapsource; maybe that would
work?).

I've heard that you can't use Mapsource with the 2460LMT....that's why I am
most concerned.

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Regards -

- Andrew

On Wed, 4 May 2011 16:47:43 -0400, "LightByrd" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>"Sunshine" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>How do people do serious pre-route planning at home with the device
>>>so that one doesn't need to do everything from the unit itself?
>>
>> I've never had to do "serious" pre-route planning, so I'm a great
>> candidate for setting up routes on the unit itself. Other people have
>> reported using MapSource and/or Google to create waypoints, and then
>> use the waypoints to build a route.
>>
>
>The advantage to pre-planning with Mapsource is that you force the unit to
>follow your directions.
>This is quite handy especially with out-of-date maps. And let's face it
>they are ALL out-of-date.
>For instance, the shortest & best route to the airport, 90 miles away
>involves a long stretch of beautifully paved country road with essentially
>no speed limit. Problem is if you happen to have your unit set to avoiding
>dirt roads, it will avoid this gem. Road was paved 10 years ago -- still
>shows it as unpaved on 2010 maps

But since you know about it, there's little need to use Mapsource in
this case. I get your point, though. If it's wrong in a known case,
it's likely to also be wrong in the unknown cases, as well.

On Wed, 4 May 2011 17:09:25 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>LightByrd wrote:
>> "Sunshine" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How do people do serious pre-route planning at home with the device
>>>> so that one doesn't need to do everything from the unit itself?
>>>
>>> I've never had to do "serious" pre-route planning, so I'm a great
>>> candidate for setting up routes on the unit itself. Other people have
>>> reported using MapSource and/or Google to create waypoints, and then
>>> use the waypoints to build a route.
>>>
>>
>> The advantage to pre-planning with Mapsource is that you force the
>> unit to follow your directions.
>> This is quite handy especially with out-of-date maps. And let's face
>> it they are ALL out-of-date.
>> For instance, the shortest & best route to the airport, 90 miles away
>> involves a long stretch of beautifully paved country road with
>> essentially no speed limit. Problem is if you happen to have your
>> unit set to avoiding dirt roads, it will avoid this gem. Road was
>> paved 10 years ago -- still shows it as unpaved on 2010 maps
>
>So is it possible to use Mapsource - and again, how does one GET the maps if
>one has a unit like the 2460LMT....do you have to buy a CD to basically
>duplicate what you already have it the unit? (Actually, according to my
>Quest, I can *upload* maps from the Quest via Mapsource; maybe that would
>work?).
>
>I've heard that you can't use Mapsource with the 2460LMT....that's why I am
>most concerned.

I believe you can buy a CD, DVD, or memory card, or you can download
the maps from Garmin, or of course there's always the underground.

On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, Andrew wrote:
> Can one take a mapping program (Mapsource) with maps and create routes and
> waypoints and download to the 2460LMT? In an older Garmin I have (Quest),
> the maps themselves came on a DVD, loaded into your PC, and are downloaded
> into the device ; you HAD to go through the computer because the Quest had
> limited memory.
>
> But since all the maps are pre-built into the 2460LMT as I understand it,
> and it contains no DVD with maps, is this possible? How do people do
> serious pre-route planning at home with the device so that one doesn't need
> to do everything from the unit itself?

You are correct as to why you had to do that with the Quest. None of
those things apply for the Nüvis. Contemporary Nüvis are, to be honest,
nearly as powerful as the laptops of even a couple of years ago. They're
more than powerful enough to do the job independant of computers for
eveything short of map and firmware updates. Most people have a couple
of examples (edge cases, really) where in some exact circumstance, they
might have knowledge that the unit doesn't and can handcraft a better
route to some particular part or place in their area. But that doesn't
mean that the units routing is bad, only that the human being knows
better sometimes. And (hopefully) that is a circumstance that will
always be. When humans forget that they are smarter than the unit
sometimes is when we get the cases that we laugh at: some bozo with an
RV that gets stuck under a low bridge, or tries to drive down a river,
or through a pedestrian walkway. That includes things that change, too:
if a road is closed, the human knows to follow a detour. If traffic is
jammed up, a human can deviate from the plan.

This is where the strength of the routing GPS actually comes in, though.
It's not an indication of a failing in the GPS, because a carefully
hand-built list of turns can fail in exactly the same way. However, the
GPS can see that you've turned off it's path, and will try another means
of getting you to your destination. Sometimes, the new path will help
immediately. Sometimes it won't. Human overrides again, and the GPS
again compensates, presenting yet another plan. Eventually, human and
machine work their way past the problem and eventually both end up where
they were going.

And isn't that the point, most of the time? Getting to your destination?
If you already know what roads you want to take, why are you asking the
machine to navigate in the first place? Let it be just a moving map in
that case.

--
Kyle J Cardoza <(E-Mail Removed)> sigged:
>Faith does not, in fact, move mountains;
Mainly because they won't let her loose with a drilling crew and enough
dynamite. -- Chris Suslowicz in the Monastery

Andrew wrote on May 4, 2011:

> LightByrd wrote:
>> "Sunshine" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How do people do serious pre-route planning at home with the device
>>>> so that one doesn't need to do everything from the unit itself?
>>>
>>> I've never had to do "serious" pre-route planning, so I'm a great
>>> candidate for setting up routes on the unit itself. Other people have
>>> reported using MapSource and/or Google to create waypoints, and then
>>> use the waypoints to build a route.
>>>
>>
>> The advantage to pre-planning with Mapsource is that you force the
>> unit to follow your directions.
>> This is quite handy especially with out-of-date maps. And let's face
>> it they are ALL out-of-date.
>> For instance, the shortest & best route to the airport, 90 miles away
>> involves a long stretch of beautifully paved country road with
>> essentially no speed limit. Problem is if you happen to have your
>> unit set to avoiding dirt roads, it will avoid this gem. Road was
>> paved 10 years ago -- still shows it as unpaved on 2010 maps
>
> So is it possible to use Mapsource - and again, how does one GET the maps if
> one has a unit like the 2460LMT....do you have to buy a CD to basically
> duplicate what you already have it the unit? (Actually, according to my
> Quest, I can *upload* maps from the Quest via Mapsource; maybe that would
> work?).
>
> I've heard that you can't use Mapsource with the 2460LMT....that's why I am
> most concerned.
>
>

When you buy a Garmin Nuvi you are allowed to download the latest version of
the installed maps. When you do this you have the option of installing the
maps onto your computer as well as the Nuvi and you can then use the maps
with MapSource, BaseCamp, or RoadTrip (on a Mac).

I use BaseCamp on my Mac to plan routes and which I then download to my Nuvi
765. This works very well. I don't know if you can do the same with the 2460,
though. I would check with Garmin before buying.

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
mike_lane at mac dot com

[Pamlico]

So to answer the question, yes you can plan routes using MapSource and transfer them to the 2460. The one difference from previous Nuvis is that the routes are imported form MapSource into the new Trip Planner and are immediately available without having to have the Nuvi 'import' them into itself. The Trip Planner worked OK for the 2 trips I've imported from MapSource into my 2460 LMT.

As you know the 'M' in LMT signifies that you get lifetime map upgrades, generally 4 / year. A new set of European maps (CityNavigator NT 2012.10) are available now I think, with the 2011.40 version for North America reportedly coming by May 9th.

You can download MapSource from Garmin - Google "download MapSource Garmin". (Sorry I have an insufficient # of posts so I can't post the direct link).

When you download the map upgrade be sure to indicate that you want to save the maps to both your computer and to the 2460. That will take some time, an hour or so, maybe more depending upon your connection speed. Once installed you should be able to run MapSource with the updated maps and transfer them as desired.

Good luck.

"Sunshine" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 4 May 2011 16:47:43 -0400, "LightByrd" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>"Sunshine" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:(E-Mail Removed). ..
>>> On Wed, 4 May 2011 14:53:22 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>How do people do serious pre-route planning at home with the device
>>>>so that one doesn't need to do everything from the unit itself?
>>>
>>> I've never had to do "serious" pre-route planning, so I'm a great
>>> candidate for setting up routes on the unit itself. Other people have
>>> reported using MapSource and/or Google to create waypoints, and then
>>> use the waypoints to build a route.
>>>
>>
>>The advantage to pre-planning with Mapsource is that you force the unit to
>>follow your directions.
>>This is quite handy especially with out-of-date maps. And let's face it
>>they are ALL out-of-date.
>>For instance, the shortest & best route to the airport, 90 miles away
>>involves a long stretch of beautifully paved country road with essentially
>>no speed limit. Problem is if you happen to have your unit set to
>>avoiding
>>dirt roads, it will avoid this gem. Road was paved 10 years ago -- still
>>shows it as unpaved on 2010 maps
>
> But since you know about it, there's little need to use Mapsource in
> this case. I get your point, though. If it's wrong in a known case,
> it's likely to also be wrong in the unknown cases, as well.
>
OTOH, I only go to the airport once a year these days. There are a lot of
left right jogs in the route.
(A lot to remember) Also, sometimes the trip is in the dead of night in the
middle of woods and fields and no signs.
I have other routes with similar characteristics as well.as well.

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Regards,
Richard Harison