Hi everyone, I could really do with some advise from all users. I'v
always been a bit of a Garmin snob, but now that I'm looking to upgrad
it's more frustrating than I first thought. I will be travelling acros
Europe in the summer and I have been considering either the Garmi
1690T, the TT 750 live or the Navigon 8450 live. They all have, i
their own way, the features which I would like but I can't find an
definitive answers on their navigation, reliability and live services
Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. p.s Just to throw
spanner in the works I've also looked at the specs for the new Garmi
3760T, any thoughts


--
PaulMac

PaulMac <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Hi everyone, I could really do with some advise from all users. I've
> always been a bit of a Garmin snob, but now that I'm looking to upgrade
> it's more frustrating than I first thought. I will be travelling across
> Europe in the summer and I have been considering either the Garmin
> 1690T, the TT 750 live or the Navigon 8450 live. They all have, in
> their own way, the features which I would like but I can't find any
> definitive answers on their navigation, reliability and live services.
> Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. p.s Just to throw a
> spanner in the works I've also looked at the specs for the new Garmin
> 3760T, any thoughts?

I drive long distances across Europe. After the last set of updates to
my Garmin 250W it was unable to calculate trips of >500 miles, it runs
out of memory. This is a complete PITA and it has now been relegated to
the device for use in the car kept at my holiday home.

I considered buying another Garmin and the 3760T, 3790T and 1490TV were
on the list.However in the end the fact that I had an iPhone made me go
for TomTom. I see StreetPilot is now available for the iPhone, had I
waited a bit I might have gone for that. TomTom works OK, but the
interface is crappy compared to the Garmin. The online traffic service
for TomTom works well across Europe and has routed me around some nasty
traffic jams. However since it uses GSM, it's damned expensive when
abroad unless you buy a SIM in every country that you intend to drive
in. Not that practical.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gps
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Too many choices


> PaulMac <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I could really do with some advise from all users. I've
>> always been a bit of a Garmin snob, but now that I'm looking to upgrade
>> it's more frustrating than I first thought. I will be travelling across
>> Europe in the summer and I have been considering either the Garmin
>> 1690T, the TT 750 live or the Navigon 8450 live. They all have, in
>> their own way, the features which I would like but I can't find any
>> definitive answers on their navigation, reliability and live services.
>> Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. p.s Just to throw a
>> spanner in the works I've also looked at the specs for the new Garmin
>> 3760T, any thoughts?
>
> I drive long distances across Europe. After the last set of updates to
> my Garmin 250W it was unable to calculate trips of >500 miles, it runs
> out of memory. This is a complete PITA and it has now been relegated to
> the device for use in the car kept at my holiday home.
>
> I considered buying another Garmin and the 3760T, 3790T and 1490TV were
> on the list.However in the end the fact that I had an iPhone made me go
> for TomTom. I see StreetPilot is now available for the iPhone, had I
> waited a bit I might have gone for that. TomTom works OK, but the
> interface is crappy compared to the Garmin. The online traffic service
> for TomTom works well across Europe and has routed me around some nasty
> traffic jams. However since it uses GSM, it's damned expensive when
> abroad unless you buy a SIM in every country that you intend to drive
> in. Not that practical.

I just asked my Nokia N79* to calculate from Manchester to Marseille (about
1,000 miles). I looked away to read a couple of posts and it had already
done it.

I should give up the snobbery if I were you...

Mapping and navigation is free on most Nokia smart phones. Some features
are probably not quite as sophisticated as a Garmin, but it does the job for
zero marginal cost!



* not actually 'supposed' to have navigation, but it went and downloaded
Nav' itself one day.

"R. Mark Clayton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
[snip]

> I just asked my Nokia N79* to calculate from Manchester to Marseille (about
> 1,000 miles). I looked away to read a couple of posts and it had already
> done it.

Fascinating. I don't have a Nokia and I'm not quite sure what the relevance
is. As I pointed out the Garmin was ruined by an update that didn't leave
enough memory free to calculate long routes. Apparently this is fixed in
the 2000 and 3000 series.

> I should give up the snobbery if I were you...

What "snobbery" you divot?

> Mapping and navigation is free on most Nokia smart phones. Some features
> are probably not quite as sophisticated as a Garmin, but it does the job for
> zero marginal cost!

No one asked about Nokia. As far as I can see the big negative with Nokia
for navigation is that the Nokia phones are shite and the displays are poor
resolution.

> * not actually 'supposed' to have navigation, but it went and downloaded
> Nav' itself one day.

Having a phone that installs stuff without asking is good, is it?

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:174962747334505540.447345%steve%-(E-Mail Removed)...
> "R. Mark Clayton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> I just asked my Nokia N79* to calculate from Manchester to Marseille
>> (about
>> 1,000 miles). I looked away to read a couple of posts and it had already
>> done it.
>
> Fascinating. I don't have a Nokia and I'm not quite sure what the
> relevance
> is. As I pointed out the Garmin was ruined by an update that didn't leave
> enough memory free to calculate long routes. Apparently this is fixed in
> the 2000 and 3000 series.

Missed the bit about the update regressing your Garmin. The OP was looking
to upgrade.

>
>> I should give up the snobbery if I were you...
>
> What "snobbery" you divot?

Referred to by the OP

>>>PaulMac <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>> Hi everyone, I could really do with some advise from all users. I've
>>> always been a bit of a Garmin snob, but now that I'm looking to upgrade


>
>> Mapping and navigation is free on most Nokia smart phones. Some features
>> are probably not quite as sophisticated as a Garmin, but it does the job
>> for
>> zero marginal cost!
>
> No one asked about Nokia.

The OP asked about upgrading from Garmin - why have a separate device?

> As far as I can see the big negative with Nokia
> for navigation is that the Nokia phones are shite and the displays are
> poor
> resolution.

Mine works fine, although its screen is small; current N* etc. comparable to
others on display and it has the best camera.

>
>> * not actually 'supposed' to have navigation, but it went and downloaded
>> Nav' itself one day.
>
> Having a phone that installs stuff without asking is good, is it?

It insisted on an update to load more / newer maps - afterwards it had Nav'
enabled, even though the web site says you can't load it. Certainly the
best unannounced feature I have come across.


Just in case you missed it the marginal cost is zero. The application is
included with the phone. The maps are free and can be downloaded over
wi-fi. Assuming you load maps for where you are going (and you can load the
whole world) then navigation is free as the phone will navigate offline
(like navigation devices, but unlike most (if not all) other phones)

R. Mark Clayton <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Just in case you missed it the marginal cost is zero. The application is
> included with the phone. The maps are free and can be downloaded over
> wi-fi.

I'm sure they are worth what you paid for them.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1k5r7rp.1ajnso8f33ke8N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk.. .
> R. Mark Clayton <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Just in case you missed it the marginal cost is zero. The application is
>> included with the phone. The maps are free and can be downloaded over
>> wi-fi.
>
> I'm sure they are worth what you paid for them.

Well perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they are included in the
price of the phone and yes they were.

In fact I ran it in parallel with the sat-nav in my BMW and the results were
comparable. The BMW does slightly better on accuracy because it uses the
signals from the ABS sensors to dead reckon the movement and turn of the car
when out of coverage (e.g. in tunnels), but slightly worse on roundabouts
where it does not call out the exit as you approach it.