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SuperDrag„o
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      11-24-2011, 01:13 PM
What's up w/TTom?
Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a highway then comes map 880 and
these are missing
Incredible

 
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MM
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      11-24-2011, 04:43 PM
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:13:39 -0500, SuperDrag„o <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>What's up w/TTom?
>Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a highway then comes map 880 and
>these are missing
>Incredible


I downloaded map version 880.3808 two days ago and it still doesn't
know about speed camera changes and speed limit reductions locally
that were completed six months ago following traffic calming
measures.

Basically, if anyone asks me about buying a TomTom in future, my
recommendation will be: stay away.

MM
 
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Rod Speed
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      11-24-2011, 06:10 PM
MM wrote
> SuperDrag„o <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote


>> What's up w/TTom?
>> Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a
>> highway then comes map 880 and these are missing
>> Incredible


> I downloaded map version 880.3808 two days ago and it still doesn't
> know about speed camera changes and speed limit reductions locally
> that were completed six months ago following traffic calming measures.


> Basically, if anyone asks me about buying a TomTom in future, my
> recommendation will be: stay away.


You have to know of a different satnav that updates the maps quicker
and doesnt have other important downsides before you can say that
sensibly, particularly when so many use the same source of map data.



 
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      11-24-2011, 06:25 PM
Rod

Last year TTom NA map were missing some important streets in my town that
were in the previous versions same w/my latest complain.
What are they doing when they put these maps together?
Take the previous version add the new material and you have a new version
but NO TTom goes backward instead.
Disappointed and venting

"Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> MM wrote
>> SuperDrag„o <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>
>>> What's up w/TTom?
>>> Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a
>>> highway then comes map 880 and these are missing
>>> Incredible

>
>> I downloaded map version 880.3808 two days ago and it still doesn't
>> know about speed camera changes and speed limit reductions locally
>> that were completed six months ago following traffic calming measures.

>
>> Basically, if anyone asks me about buying a TomTom in future, my
>> recommendation will be: stay away.

>
> You have to know of a different satnav that updates the maps quicker
> and doesnt have other important downsides before you can say that
> sensibly, particularly when so many use the same source of map data.
>
>
>


 
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Brian Watson
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      11-24-2011, 07:13 PM

"Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> MM wrote
>> SuperDrag„o <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>
>>> What's up w/TTom?
>>> Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a
>>> highway then comes map 880 and these are missing
>>> Incredible

>
>> I downloaded map version 880.3808 two days ago and it still doesn't
>> know about speed camera changes and speed limit reductions locally
>> that were completed six months ago following traffic calming measures.

>
>> Basically, if anyone asks me about buying a TomTom in future, my
>> recommendation will be: stay away.

>
> You have to know of a different satnav that updates the maps quicker
> and doesnt have other important downsides before you can say that
> sensibly, particularly when so many use the same source of map data.


I know someone who works for Garmin and he actually goes out for them
checking data.

Not saying it gets updated any quicker, just saying that at least they do
SOME of their own research.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
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SuperDrag„o
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      11-24-2011, 07:30 PM
Ok that is fine
But in this case they are making a new map look worse
If you have a car company, let's say Hyundai takes a model and takes away
the AC and Cruise Control it is making that car worse not better.
It is my feeling w/TTom w/the 880 compared to the 875
Let me say I have had my TTom One for 5 years
"Brian Watson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> MM wrote
>>> SuperDrag„o <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>>
>>>> What's up w/TTom?
>>>> Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a
>>>> highway then comes map 880 and these are missing
>>>> Incredible

>>
>>> I downloaded map version 880.3808 two days ago and it still doesn't
>>> know about speed camera changes and speed limit reductions locally
>>> that were completed six months ago following traffic calming measures.

>>
>>> Basically, if anyone asks me about buying a TomTom in future, my
>>> recommendation will be: stay away.

>>
>> You have to know of a different satnav that updates the maps quicker
>> and doesnt have other important downsides before you can say that
>> sensibly, particularly when so many use the same source of map data.

>
> I know someone who works for Garmin and he actually goes out for them
> checking data.
>
> Not saying it gets updated any quicker, just saying that at least they do
> SOME of their own research.
>
> --
> Brian
> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
> www.imagebus.co.uk/shop
>


 
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      11-24-2011, 08:00 PM
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:10:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>MM wrote
>> SuperDrag„o <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>
>>> What's up w/TTom?
>>> Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a
>>> highway then comes map 880 and these are missing
>>> Incredible

>
>> I downloaded map version 880.3808 two days ago and it still doesn't
>> know about speed camera changes and speed limit reductions locally
>> that were completed six months ago following traffic calming measures.

>
>> Basically, if anyone asks me about buying a TomTom in future, my
>> recommendation will be: stay away.

>
>You have to know of a different satnav that updates the maps quicker
>and doesnt have other important downsides before you can say that
>sensibly, particularly when so many use the same source of map data.


If all sat-navs are as bad as one another, then they are not fit for
purpose, at least in terms of speed advice. Take these local speed
limit revisions (from 40 to 30 mph): I know the road well, but a
stranger to the area could easily be mistaken into believing what the
device says, i.e. *40* mph. So if one has to watch out as much as
before acquiring the sat-nav for speed limits, cameras, average speed
limits, traffic light cams and so on, what is the point of buying a
sat-nav? Well, only for planning a route instead of using a map, I
suppose.

I could understand if the traffic calming on the road in question had
only been completed in, say, September, but it was actually completed
around the beginning of May. When I make my planned trip next week, I
shall be in the same boat as a stranger in my area. Should I or should
I not trust the sat-nav to warn/remind me with accuracy in parts of
the country I do not know at all?

Here's one way of getting blitzed: If you visit the Jet petrol station
in the traffic calmed area, fill up, pay, then pull away, within 1/4
mile there's a speed camera which the TomTom thinks is still set to 40
mph. But as you pull away from the forecourt and on to the road, then
proceed towards the camera, you won't see any speed restriction sign!
However, because the device says 40 mph, you merrily go on your way,
past the camera and wham! You've been blitzed.

MM
 
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      11-24-2011, 08:07 PM
On 11/24/2011, MM posted:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:10:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>> MM wrote
>>> SuperDrag„o <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>>
>>>> What's up w/TTom?
>>>> Map 875 shows the name of some streets and a
>>>> highway then comes map 880 and these are missing
>>>> Incredible

>>
>>> I downloaded map version 880.3808 two days ago and it still doesn't
>>> know about speed camera changes and speed limit reductions locally
>>> that were completed six months ago following traffic calming measures.
>>> Basically, if anyone asks me about buying a TomTom in future, my
>>> recommendation will be: stay away.

>>
>> You have to know of a different satnav that updates the maps quicker
>> and doesnt have other important downsides before you can say that
>> sensibly, particularly when so many use the same source of map data.


> If all sat-navs are as bad as one another, then they are not fit for
> purpose, at least in terms of speed advice. Take these local speed
> limit revisions (from 40 to 30 mph): I know the road well, but a
> stranger to the area could easily be mistaken into believing what the
> device says, i.e. *40* mph. So if one has to watch out as much as
> before acquiring the sat-nav for speed limits, cameras, average speed
> limits, traffic light cams and so on, what is the point of buying a
> sat-nav? Well, only for planning a route instead of using a map, I
> suppose.


> I could understand if the traffic calming on the road in question had
> only been completed in, say, September, but it was actually completed
> around the beginning of May. When I make my planned trip next week, I
> shall be in the same boat as a stranger in my area. Should I or should
> I not trust the sat-nav to warn/remind me with accuracy in parts of
> the country I do not know at all?


> Here's one way of getting blitzed: If you visit the Jet petrol station
> in the traffic calmed area, fill up, pay, then pull away, within 1/4
> mile there's a speed camera which the TomTom thinks is still set to 40
> mph. But as you pull away from the forecourt and on to the road, then
> proceed towards the camera, you won't see any speed restriction sign!
> However, because the device says 40 mph, you merrily go on your way,
> past the camera and wham! You've been blitzed.


> MM


Tell ya what, do what I do.

Pay attention to the signs on the road and watch your speedometer.

I find that my Garmin is occasionally not up to date, but I also note
that when it is, the speed limit on the display changes within a very
few feet of the sign by the road. Impressive.

--
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Stuart
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      11-24-2011, 09:32 PM
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
MM <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> If all sat-navs are as bad as one another, then they are not fit for
> purpose, at least in terms of speed advice.


I'm afraid sat-navs were never intended to replace the human brain and
proper observation and concentration on driving.

> then proceed towards the camera, you won't see any speed restriction
> sign! However, because the device says 40 mph, you merrily go on your
> way, past the camera and wham! You've been blitzed.


If you're in a 30 limit when you pull into the petrol station, its up to
you to remember that fact and when in doubt always assume a 30 limit.

Apart from anything else, temporary speed limits, which may only last a few
days are common-place.

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MM
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      11-25-2011, 07:22 AM
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:07:50 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Tell ya what, do what I do.
>
>Pay attention to the signs on the road and watch your speedometer.


Ah, so you don't believe a word the sat-nav says, either! Maybe I'll
put a book of road maps in the car, too. £3.99 for the 2012 edition,
but what the heck? The sat-nav was "only" £107.

>I find that my Garmin is occasionally not up to date, but I also note
>that when it is, the speed limit on the display changes within a very
>few feet of the sign by the road. Impressive.


Oh, so does the TomTom -- *when* it knows what the correct speed
limit is!

The TomTom merrily dings away as I approach the speed cam, but it's
rather disconcerting to see the 40 mph roundel on the sat-nav's screen
when you know you're actually in a 30 mph zone and you've paid £107
for erroneous information.

MM
 
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