Who was the pilot of Air Force Two in 1963?

Discussion in 'Global Navigation Satellite Systems' started by Denis Morissette, Jan 17, 2004.

  1. I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    (Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.

    Thanks in advance.

    Denis
     
    Denis Morissette, Jan 17, 2004
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  2. Denis Morissette

    John Miller Guest

    Denis Morissette wrote:
    > I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > (Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.


    The plane used as Air Force Two changed during 1963, if memory serves, and
    the 757 didn't come along until 1982 or so. What plane did you have in
    mind?

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    John Miller, Jan 17, 2004
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    Dave M Guest

    It could not be a 757 - not make in 1963. Air Force One was a 707 in those
    days. They are now 747s. Once Kennedy died, the plance LBJ was on was Air
    Force One.


    "Denis Morissette" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > (Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > Denis
     
    Dave M, Jan 17, 2004
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  4. Denis Morissette

    Chuck.K Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > (Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > Denis
    >


    First off, they didn't fly 757-200's in 1963 (as it didn't begin
    flying until February of 1982). They flew 707's.

    Second, Johnson flew in AF-1 (or more correctly, tail number 26000)
    in 1963. It was just called AF-2 when the Vice President was onboard
    (without the President).

    Finally, the Pilot was Col. James Swindal, retired.

    Chuck
     
    Chuck.K, Jan 17, 2004
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  5. John Miller <> wrote in message news:<bubpeg$4kv$>...
    > Denis Morissette wrote:
    > > I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > > (Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.

    >
    > The plane used as Air Force Two changed during 1963, if memory serves, and
    > the 757 didn't come along until 1982 or so. What plane did you have in
    > mind?


    I am refering to the AF2 used to fly Johnson to Dallas on November 22, 1963.
    Thanks.

    Denis
     
    Denis Morissette, Jan 17, 2004
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  6. Chuck - your a genius! I know you are correct in stating that AF-1
    designates (I believe) ANY plane carrying the President of the US. If he
    changes planes, the one "normally" designated AF-1 is called only by its
    tail #. I am quite sure that the executive aircraft were 707s back then.
    How you came up with the pilot's name is anyone's guess.....

    I learned everything I know from The History Channel (scary, ain't it)

    "Chuck.K" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <>,
    > says...
    > > I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > > (Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance.
    > >
    > > Denis
    > >

    >
    > First off, they didn't fly 757-200's in 1963 (as it didn't begin
    > flying until February of 1982). They flew 707's.
    >
    > Second, Johnson flew in AF-1 (or more correctly, tail number 26000)
    > in 1963. It was just called AF-2 when the Vice President was onboard
    > (without the President).
    >
    > Finally, the Pilot was Col. James Swindal, retired.
    >
    > Chuck
     
    Pieter Litchfield, Jan 17, 2004
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  7. Denis Morissette

    PETERWOJ Guest

    >I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    >(Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.


    I don't know who the pilot was but I believe the airplane itself is in the Air
    Force museum next to Tucson Arizona. I toured that plane and I believe it was
    the one Kennedy and Jackie was using. Of course 757 didn't existed then, it was
    707. If you call the museum they might know who the pilots were. I believe the
    place is called Pima Air and Space Museum. That place is one of the biggest air
    museums in US along Smithsonian in Washington DC and Dayton Ohio (been to all
    three).
     
    PETERWOJ, Jan 18, 2004
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  8. "Pieter Litchfield" <> wrote in message news:<%xjOb.29593$>...
    > Chuck - your a genius! I know you are correct in stating that AF-1
    > designates (I believe) ANY plane carrying the President of the US. If he
    > changes planes, the one "normally" designated AF-1 is called only by its
    > tail #. I am quite sure that the executive aircraft were 707s back then.
    > How you came up with the pilot's name is anyone's guess.....
    >
    > I learned everything I know from The History Channel (scary, ain't it)
    >
    > "Chuck.K" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > In article <>,
    > > says...
    > > > I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > > > (Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks in advance.
    > > >
    > > > Denis
    > > >

    > >
    > > First off, they didn't fly 757-200's in 1963 (as it didn't begin
    > > flying until February of 1982). They flew 707's.
    > >
    > > Second, Johnson flew in AF-1 (or more correctly, tail number 26000)
    > > in 1963. It was just called AF-2 when the Vice President was onboard
    > > (without the President).
    > >
    > > Finally, the Pilot was Col. James Swindal, retired.
    > >
    > > Chuck


    Swindal piloted AF1. I would like to know who piloted AF2. I emailed
    the Andrew Air Force, but they did not reply.

    Denis
     
    Denis Morissette, Jan 18, 2004
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  9. Denis Morissette

    Richard Ness Guest

    AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    At Boeing field - Museum of Flight.

    VERY interesting tour and piece of history.


    "PETERWOJ" <> wrote in message news:...
    > >I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > >(Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.

    >
    > I don't know who the pilot was but I believe the airplane itself is in the Air
    > Force museum next to Tucson Arizona. I toured that plane and I believe it was
    > the one Kennedy and Jackie was using. Of course 757 didn't existed then, it was
    > 707. If you call the museum they might know who the pilots were. I believe the
    > place is called Pima Air and Space Museum. That place is one of the biggest air
    > museums in US along Smithsonian in Washington DC and Dayton Ohio (been to all
    > three).
     
    Richard Ness, Jan 18, 2004
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    Jim H Guest

    Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    Yes it is very interesting. It is the little things like the spring
    loaded clip that held President Johnson's cowboy hat and the doggie
    door in his office door for his dog that really made it interesting to
    me.

    "Richard Ness" <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    > At Boeing field - Museum of Flight.
    >
    > VERY interesting tour and piece of history.
    >
    >
    > "PETERWOJ" <> wrote in message news:...
    > > >I'm looking for the name of the pilot (or pilots) of Air Force Two
    > > >(Boeing 757-200) in 1963 that was carrying Vice-President Johnson.

    > >
    > > I don't know who the pilot was but I believe the airplane itself is in the Air
    > > Force museum next to Tucson Arizona. I toured that plane and I believe it was
    > > the one Kennedy and Jackie was using. Of course 757 didn't existed then, it was
    > > 707. If you call the museum they might know who the pilots were. I believe the
    > > place is called Pima Air and Space Museum. That place is one of the biggest air
    > > museums in US along Smithsonian in Washington DC and Dayton Ohio (been to all
    > > three).
     
    Jim H, Jan 18, 2004
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  11. Denis Morissette

    PETERWOJ Guest

    Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    >AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    >At Boeing field - Museum of Flight


    Maybe it was moved. I have a picture of Air Force One sitting in front of main
    building at Pima museum taken on May 17 2002. The tail number is 86971.
     
    PETERWOJ, Jan 18, 2004
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  12. Denis Morissette

    Peter Bjoern Guest

    On 17 Jan 2004 18:52:01 -0800, (Denis Morissette)
    wrote in sci.geo.satellite-nav:

    >Swindal piloted AF1. I would like to know who piloted AF2. I emailed
    >the Andrew Air Force, but they did not reply.


    Try asking the question in the rec.aviation.military group.

    Somebody over there might know.

    Regards

    Peter
     
    Peter Bjoern, Jan 18, 2004
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    ChrisB Guest

    Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    I thought the Kennedy/Johnson 707 was at the Wright-Patterson AFB
    Museum in Ohio. 'Course it's probably been more than a decade since
    I went through there.
     
    ChrisB, Jan 18, 2004
    #13
  14. Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:01:56 -0800, "Richard Ness"
    <> wrote:

    >AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    >At Boeing field - Museum of Flight.


    Which tail number is in Seattle?

    I think the two 707's were 26000 and 26001. They were only known as
    Air Force One if the president was aboard.

    Barry
     
    B a r r y B u r k e J r ., Jan 18, 2004
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  15. Denis Morissette

    Richard Ness Guest

    Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    I just drove by it last night.
    It's still sitting right there - Boeing Field, Seattle
    Don't know the tail number, but I have been inside of it a few times.
    Complete with Johnson doggie door. It is NOT a copy, but the real thing.


    "PETERWOJ" <> wrote in message news:...
    > >AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    > >At Boeing field - Museum of Flight

    >
    > Maybe it was moved. I have a picture of Air Force One sitting in front of main
    > building at Pima museum taken on May 17 2002. The tail number is 86971.
     
    Richard Ness, Jan 18, 2004
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  16. Denis Morissette

    Richard Ness Guest

    Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    http://www.museumofflight.org/visit/exhibits.html

    Air Force One—Walk in the Footsteps of Presidents
    The Boeing-built Flying White House that carried Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon around the world is open for
    walk-through tours. The history-making Boeing 707—the first jet used by a president—contains exhibits that highlight the passengers
    and missions that made it famous. Visitors may tour the interior during public hours until 5:00 p.m., or until dusk in the winter
    hours. Air Force One is free with Museum admission, weather permitting.
    The first presidential jet made the world a smaller place, whisking American presidents and their entourages around the globe for
    face-to-face meetings with other world leaders. The specially outfitted 707, built at Boeing's Renton, Washington factory, took
    President Dwight D. Eisenhower on his first jet flight in 1959—an experience he termed "exhilarating." On that trip he met with
    Chancellor Konrad Adenauer in Germany, conferred with Prime Minister Harold Macmillan and the Queen in London, and then touched down
    in Paris to talk with President de Gaulle. President Kennedy used the plane to attend a conference with Macmillan on the crisis in
    Laos and to meet for the first time with Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev. Vice-President Johnson flew our VC-137B to Love Field in
    Dallas on the day President Kennedy was assassinated. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger used the Museum's plane for his famous
    "shuttle diplomacy" flights during the Nixon administration. It took him to Paris for secret peace talks with the North Vietnamese,
    to China to arrange for Nixon's historic first visit there, and repeatedly to the Middle East to conduct peace talks between Egypt
    and Israel.

    Also on public view are the doggie door that enabled the presidents' pets to wander the cabin freely and the lavatory that was
    redesigned for Jackie Kennedy, complete with special lighting, soap dishes, and makeup drawers. The public is encouraged to walk in
    the footsteps of presidents on board Air Force One at the Museum of Flight on Boeing Field.





    "PETERWOJ" <> wrote in message news:...
    > >AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    > >At Boeing field - Museum of Flight

    >
    > Maybe it was moved. I have a picture of Air Force One sitting in front of main
    > building at Pima museum taken on May 17 2002. The tail number is 86971.
     
    Richard Ness, Jan 18, 2004
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  17. Denis Morissette

    Richard Ness Guest

    Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    http://www.museumofflight.org/collections/craftdisplay.html?ID=28

    Manufacturer: Boeing
    Model: VC-137B
    Year: 1958
    Registration: None
    Serial No.: 58-6970
    Location: Museum of Flight
    Viewable? Yes

    Wing Span: 130.83 feet
    Length: 144.5 feet
    Height: 38.42 feet
    Wing Area: 2,433 square feet
    Gross Weight: 258,000 pounds
    Top Speed: 590 mph
    Service Ceiling: 40,000+ feet


    Air Force One-The Flying Oval Office
    The first presidential jet plane, a specially built Boeing 707-120, is known as SAM (Special Air Missions) 970. This aircraft, as
    well as any other Air Force aircraft, carried the call sign Air Force One when the president was aboard. Delivered in 1959 to
    replace Eisenhower's Super Constellation, the high-speed jet transport is a flying Oval Office with a modified interior and
    sophisticated communication equipment.
    Jet technology gave a president the opportunity to meet face-to-face with world leaders easily. SAM 970 has carried presidents
    Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon, as well as VIPs such as Nikita Khrushchev and Henry Kissinger.
    In 1962, SAM 970 was replaced by a newer Boeing VC-137C. But SAM 970 remained in the presidential fleet, ferrying VIPs and the
    vice-president, until June of 1996.



    "B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:01:56 -0800, "Richard Ness"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    > >At Boeing field - Museum of Flight.

    >
    > Which tail number is in Seattle?
    >
    > I think the two 707's were 26000 and 26001. They were only known as
    > Air Force One if the president was aboard.
    >
    > Barry
     
    Richard Ness, Jan 18, 2004
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  18. Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    B a r r y B u r k e J r . <> writes:

    > On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:01:56 -0800, "Richard Ness"
    > <> wrote:


    >>AF1, the one Kennedy and Johnson used is in Seattle.
    >>At Boeing field - Museum of Flight.


    > Which tail number is in Seattle?


    > I think the two 707's were 26000 and 26001. They were only known as
    > Air Force One if the president was aboard.


    But one if them is the only one that was both AF1 and AF2 in the
    one flight.

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    Paul Repacholi, Jan 18, 2004
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    ChrisB Guest

    ChrisB, Jan 19, 2004
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    matt weber Guest

    Re: AF1 (Boeing 707) is in Seattle

    On 18 Jan 2004 04:45:09 -0800, (ChrisB) wrote:

    >I thought the Kennedy/Johnson 707 was at the Wright-Patterson AFB
    >Museum in Ohio. 'Course it's probably been more than a decade since
    >I went through there.


    There are in fact 4 aircraft that it could be.
    Two are based on the earlier 100 series 707, and 2 on the later 320
    series 707. I think the 320 series version are still in service
    however.
     
    matt weber, Jan 20, 2004
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