suction cup keeps falling off

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  1. thomasd

    thomasd Guest

    is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    mine keeps comming off
    any suggestions would be appreciated
     
    thomasd, Aug 1, 2008
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  2. thomasd

    Jack Erbes Guest

    thomasd wrote:
    > is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    > mine keeps comming off
    > any suggestions would be appreciated


    Get some glycerin from the local drug store and clean the suction cup
    with it, leaving a light coating as a preservative and to improve
    retention by minimizing air leaks. It will also help to slow the
    deterioration of the rubber from the sun's UV light.

    Jack

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    Jack Erbes, Aug 1, 2008
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    Don Simard Guest

    "thomasd" <> wrote in message
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    > is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    > mine keeps comming off
    > any suggestions would be appreciated



    buy a beanbag instead. my suction cup melted to the window before I did that
     
    Don Simard, Aug 2, 2008
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  4. thomasd

    Retired VIP Guest

    On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:07:18 -0400, "Don Simard" <>
    wrote:

    >"thomasd" <> wrote in message
    >news:rWCkk.1947$...
    >> is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    >> mine keeps comming off
    >> any suggestions would be appreciated

    >
    >
    >buy a beanbag instead. my suction cup melted to the window before I did that
    >


    You want to buy my suction cup. I used it until my beanbag arrived,
    it's up on the shelf now.

    Jack
     
    Retired VIP, Aug 2, 2008
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  5. thomasd

    Paul Guest

    On 1 Aug, 08:01, "thomasd" <> wrote:
    > is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    > mine keeps comming off
    > any suggestions would be appreciated


    I would have probably bought the beanbag if I knew about it at the
    time. I contacted Garmin when my suction cup spring and rubber
    material deteriorated and they sent me a complete replacement to
    include the adapter which I keep for business trips. My solution was
    to buy a kit from proclipusa.comn which works well.

    Paul
     
    Paul, Aug 2, 2008
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  6. thomasd

    DougSlug Guest

    Very simple.

    - Clean the glass area thoroughly with Windex (or similar grease-cutting
    cleaner), and clean the suction cup surface with dish detergent.

    - Make sure everything is dry (preferebly dry with a microfiber cloth)
    before re-applying.

    - It's important to remove anything greasy, like oil from your skin or the
    solvents that outgas from the plastics inside your car and lightly fog the
    inside of the glass over time.

    - If you apply and remove the suction cup often, you will have to clean
    this way periodically.

    - Avoid touching either the glass or the suction cup.

    - Also, make sure there is nothing on the glass (like that black sunscreen
    material some cars have at the top of the windshield or stickers/labels,
    etc.), or that the glass area where you are applying the suction cup is not
    irregularly shaped in any way (such as a smaller radius curvature).

    - I have found that it is not necessary to apply anything to the cup (as
    others have suggested), but that might increase the longevity of the suction
    even more if you use the right kind of stuff.

    - Doug


    "thomasd" <> wrote in message
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    > is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    > mine keeps comming off
    > any suggestions would be appreciated
    >
    >
     
    DougSlug, Aug 2, 2008
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  7. thomasd

    DougSlug Guest

    I have one of these beanbags, too. I like it a lot for use in my Prius, but
    it doesn't necessarily work in every situation--it depends on the dash area
    you have available at an appropriate location for good visibility.

    - Doug


    "Don Simard" <> wrote in message
    news:g70c05$pmb$...
    > "thomasd" <> wrote in message
    > news:rWCkk.1947$...
    >> is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    >> mine keeps comming off
    >> any suggestions would be appreciated

    >
    >
    > buy a beanbag instead. my suction cup melted to the window before I did
    > that
    >
    >
     
    DougSlug, Aug 2, 2008
    #7
  8. Oils and grease will assist the vaccum seal. Dirt and granular materials
    will degrade suction. This is all dependant on having rubber with some
    spring left in it. A new unit will be required every few years, then you
    will purchase another one, like a digital watch with a dead battery.

    "DougSlug" <> wrote in message
    news:489495bc$0$5015$...
    > Very simple.
    >
    > - Clean the glass area thoroughly with Windex (or similar grease-cutting
    > cleaner), and clean the suction cup surface with dish detergent.
    >
    > - Make sure everything is dry (preferebly dry with a microfiber cloth)
    > before re-applying.
    >
    > - It's important to remove anything greasy, like oil from your skin or the
    > solvents that outgas from the plastics inside your car and lightly fog the
    > inside of the glass over time.
    >
    > - If you apply and remove the suction cup often, you will have to clean
    > this way periodically.
    >
    > - Avoid touching either the glass or the suction cup.
    >
    > - Also, make sure there is nothing on the glass (like that black sunscreen
    > material some cars have at the top of the windshield or stickers/labels,
    > etc.), or that the glass area where you are applying the suction cup is
    > not irregularly shaped in any way (such as a smaller radius curvature).
    >
    > - I have found that it is not necessary to apply anything to the cup (as
    > others have suggested), but that might increase the longevity of the
    > suction even more if you use the right kind of stuff.
    >
    > - Doug
    >
    >
    > "thomasd" <> wrote in message
    > news:rWCkk.1947$...
    >> is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    >> mine keeps comming off
    >> any suggestions would be appreciated
    >>
    >>

    >
     
    John J. Bengii, Aug 2, 2008
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  9. thomasd

    Howard Guest

    On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT), Paul
    <> wrotG:

    >On 1 Aug, 08:01, "thomasd" <> wrote:
    >> is there some secret to keeping the suction cup on the windshield ?
    >> mine keeps comming off
    >> any suggestions would be appreciated

    >


    I found the following posted a while back and I saved the posting.
    This suggestion really works.

    >>>>> > While detailing my Vette, I put just a dab of
    >>>>> >detailing spray - or wax enhancer -
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks for the tip.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Not familiar with this...can you provide a brand name and is it called
    >>>>> by those names?
    >>>>
    >>>>There are a lot of brands out there. Usually found in the automotive
    >>>>wax section of auto parts stores, Wal-Mart, etc. I just looked in the
    >>>>garage and I have Meguiars NXT Generation Speed Detailer and also
    >>>>Eagle One Wipe and Shine Quick Detailing Spray. I've used others to
    >>>>brighten up the finish on the car between waxes. All about the same.
     
    Howard, Aug 3, 2008
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  10. thomasd

    DougSlug Guest

    Certainly you are correct about gritty materials and the condition of the
    rubber, but my experience has always been that a greasy surface allows the
    cup material to slide relative to the fixed surface, which allows the cup to
    draw inward resulting in a prematurely broken vacuum seal. Having a
    relatively "sticky" surface, that is, the surface of clean glass, prevents
    the cup from drawing inwards keeping the seal intact.

    - Doug


    "John J. Bengii" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Oils and grease will assist the vaccum seal. Dirt and granular materials
    > will degrade suction. This is all dependant on having rubber with some
    > spring left in it. A new unit will be required every few years, then you
    > will purchase another one, like a digital watch with a dead battery.
    >
    > "DougSlug" <> wrote in message
    > news:489495bc$0$5015$...
    >> Very simple.
    >>
    >> - Clean the glass area thoroughly with Windex (or similar grease-cutting
    >> cleaner), and clean the suction cup surface with dish detergent.
    >>
    >> - Make sure everything is dry (preferebly dry with a microfiber cloth)
    >> before re-applying.
    >>
    >> - It's important to remove anything greasy, like oil from your skin or
    >> the solvents that outgas from the plastics inside your car and lightly
    >> fog the inside of the glass over time.
     
    DougSlug, Aug 3, 2008
    #10
  11. In the end when the rubber gets hard it has no spring to create the vacuum
    anyway. A UV resistant grease may help this, either way.

    "DougSlug" <> wrote in message
    news:4895a815$0$7350$...
    > Certainly you are correct about gritty materials and the condition of the
    > rubber, but my experience has always been that a greasy surface allows the
    > cup material to slide relative to the fixed surface, which allows the cup
    > to draw inward resulting in a prematurely broken vacuum seal. Having a
    > relatively "sticky" surface, that is, the surface of clean glass, prevents
    > the cup from drawing inwards keeping the seal intact.
    >
    > - Doug
    >
    >
    > "John J. Bengii" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Oils and grease will assist the vaccum seal. Dirt and granular materials
    >> will degrade suction. This is all dependant on having rubber with some
    >> spring left in it. A new unit will be required every few years, then you
    >> will purchase another one, like a digital watch with a dead battery.
    >>
    >> "DougSlug" <> wrote in message
    >> news:489495bc$0$5015$...
    >>> Very simple.
    >>>
    >>> - Clean the glass area thoroughly with Windex (or similar grease-cutting
    >>> cleaner), and clean the suction cup surface with dish detergent.
    >>>
    >>> - Make sure everything is dry (preferebly dry with a microfiber cloth)
    >>> before re-applying.
    >>>
    >>> - It's important to remove anything greasy, like oil from your skin or
    >>> the solvents that outgas from the plastics inside your car and lightly
    >>> fog the inside of the glass over time.

    >
     
    John J. Bengii, Aug 3, 2008
    #11
  12. thomasd

    Jack Erbes Guest

    John J. Bengii wrote:
    > In the end when the rubber gets hard it has no spring to create the vacuum
    > anyway. A UV resistant grease may help this, either way.


    Glycerin, the answer is glycerin. Petroleum based greases are the kiss
    of death for rubber, especially when combined with the effects of UV.

    I've never heard of or seen a UV resistant grease. In a pinch, using
    silicon based dielectic compound would help and not get runny with heat.

    Jack
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    (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
     
    Jack Erbes, Aug 3, 2008
    #12
  13. Armorall

    "Jack Erbes" <> wrote in message
    news:6d035$4895c1bd$...
    > John J. Bengii wrote:
    >> In the end when the rubber gets hard it has no spring to create the
    >> vacuum
    >> anyway. A UV resistant grease may help this, either way.

    >
    > Glycerin, the answer is glycerin. Petroleum based greases are the kiss
    > of death for rubber, especially when combined with the effects of UV.
    >
    > I've never heard of or seen a UV resistant grease. In a pinch, using
    > silicon based dielectic compound would help and not get runny with heat.
    >
    > Jack
    > --
    > Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
    > (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
    > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
     
    John J. Bengii, Aug 3, 2008
    #13
  14. Armorall is a product name. Glycerin is a chemical.

    "Rick" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > John J. Bengii wrote:
    >> Armorall
    >>
    >> "Jack Erbes" <> wrote in message
    >> news:6d035$4895c1bd$...
    >>> John J. Bengii wrote:
    >>>> In the end when the rubber gets hard it has no spring to create the
    >>>> vacuum
    >>>> anyway. A UV resistant grease may help this, either way.
    >>> Glycerin, the answer is glycerin. Petroleum based greases are the kiss
    >>> of death for rubber, especially when combined with the effects of UV.
    >>>
    >>> I've never heard of or seen a UV resistant grease. In a pinch, using
    >>> silicon based dielectic compound would help and not get runny with heat.
    >>>
    >>> Jack
    >>> --
    >>> Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at roadrunner dot com)
    >>> (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
    >>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

    >>
    >>

    > Glycerin is the correct answer.
    >
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    John J. Bengii, Aug 3, 2008
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  15. thomasd

    Jack Erbes Guest

    John J. Bengii wrote:
    > Armorall


    Use of Armor-All has been associated with the deterioration and cracking
    of vinyl dashboard coverings, in spite of it's claimed UV protective
    qualities. I don't use Armor-All any more because of that. There is no
    proof that is has the claimed UV protective qualities that it claims but
    it is pretty clear that it will contribute to deterioration of the
    plastics used in dash board coverings.

    http://www.epinions.com/review/Armor_All_Protectant/content_231006768772

    Jack
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    Jack Erbes, Aug 3, 2008
    #15
  16. "Jack Erbes" wrote

    > Use of Armor-All has been associated with the deterioration and cracking
    > of vinyl dashboard coverings, in spite of it's claimed UV protective
    > qualities. I don't use Armor-All any more because of that. There is no
    > proof that is has the claimed UV protective qualities that it claims but
    > it is pretty clear that it will contribute to deterioration of the
    > plastics used in dash board coverings.


    FWIW, a body-shop man long ago told me Armor All sucks the moisture out of
    the dashboard material(s), thus the deterioration.
     
    Howard Lester, Aug 4, 2008
    #16
  17. Howard Lester wrote:
    > "Jack Erbes" wrote
    >
    >> Use of Armor-All has been associated with the deterioration and cracking
    >> of vinyl dashboard coverings, in spite of it's claimed UV protective
    >> qualities. I don't use Armor-All any more because of that. There is no
    >> proof that is has the claimed UV protective qualities that it claims but
    >> it is pretty clear that it will contribute to deterioration of the
    >> plastics used in dash board coverings.

    >
    > FWIW, a body-shop man long ago told me Armor All sucks the moisture out of
    > the dashboard material(s), thus the deterioration.
    >
    >

    SPIT works
     
    Irwin Blumenthal, Aug 4, 2008
    #17
  18. I know Armor-All;s claim but it is a really good static supressant. Used it
    on electronic equipment and my high voltage boots to stop static buildup and
    discharges through my clothes to metal objects...very slippery though.

    "Rick" <> wrote in message
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    > Irwin Blumenthal wrote:
    >> Howard Lester wrote:
    >>> "Jack Erbes" wrote
    >>>
    >>>> Use of Armor-All has been associated with the deterioration and
    >>>> cracking of vinyl dashboard coverings, in spite of it's claimed UV
    >>>> protective qualities. I don't use Armor-All any more because of that.
    >>>> There is no proof that is has the claimed UV protective qualities that
    >>>> it claims but it is pretty clear that it will contribute to
    >>>> deterioration of the plastics used in dash board coverings.
    >>>
    >>> FWIW, a body-shop man long ago told me Armor All sucks the moisture out
    >>> of the dashboard material(s), thus the deterioration.
    >>>

    >> SPIT works

    > not as well as glycerin
    >
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    > Rick
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    John J. Bengii, Aug 4, 2008
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  19. thomasd

    Lon Guest

    Jack Erbes wrote:
    > John J. Bengii wrote:
    >> Armorall

    >
    > Use of Armor-All has been associated with the deterioration and cracking
    > of vinyl dashboard coverings, in spite of it's claimed UV protective
    > qualities. I don't use Armor-All any more because of that. There is no
    > proof that is has the claimed UV protective qualities that it claims but
    > it is pretty clear that it will contribute to deterioration of the
    > plastics used in dash board coverings.
    >
    > http://www.epinions.com/review/Armor_All_Protectant/content_231006768772


    Armor All and similar products are just a silicone emulsion and water.

    No plasticizer ingredients.
     
    Lon, Aug 7, 2008
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    Jack Guest

    Jack, Aug 6, 2014
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