Is Garnin better than Tomtom?

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  1. Guest

    I bought a Tomtom GPS a while back, and I have found it to be beyond
    useless. It's so bad, it tells me to turn into corn fields in the
    middle of freeways, and has gone so far as to lead me completely the
    wrong way, or down roads that dead end after 10 miles of driving down
    rural gravel roads. It's less than a year old, so it's not outdated.
    I think the Tomtom is just plain garbage. This past weekend it nearly
    went bonkers on me. I knew the route I was traveling, I just had the
    Tomtom turned on to see if it lead me the right way. It was so poor
    that I have decided to never use it again. I'm going to sell it at
    our garage sale, and in all honesty I doubt I'll ever buy another GPS
    after this horrible experience. But just for grins, I was told that
    Garmin is much better. Is it?
     
    , Oct 7, 2010
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  2. Lee Guest

    Hi, have been using a Garmin now for a couple of years and have had
    no complaints. It does a great job and the only adverse comment I
    could make was the fault of the owner (me). Somehow a check mark
    disappeared in the program settings and I ended up on a dirt road with a
    MH and a tow car and no place to turn around. But again not the fault
    of the GPS. Would I buy another one? Definitely yes!

    wrote:
    I was told that
    > Garmin is much better. Is it?


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    Georgie Boy Cruise Master
    Logitech VidCam & Skype lee.g.bray
     
    Lee, Oct 7, 2010
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  3. On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:36:23 -0500, wrote:

    > I knew the route I was traveling, I just had the Tomtom turned on to
    > see if it lead me the right way. It was so poor that I have decided
    > to never use it again. I'm going to sell it at our garage sale, and
    > in all honesty I doubt I'll ever buy another GPS after this horrible
    > experience. But just for grins, I was told that Garmin is much better.
    > Is it?


    Posting in a garmin group is likely to get biased answers, but I think
    they are. Enough that I'm willing to pay the small amount more money
    than I could spend on a feature-equivalent TomTom and miss out on
    exciting things like being able to change the navigation voice to Darth
    Vader or whetever it is this week. It does seem to be something of a
    TomTom foible to be ... enthusiastic about declaring map features to be
    roads.

    --
    "Doesn't everybody?" is a question that never expects an answer of "No."
     
    Peter H. Coffin, Oct 7, 2010
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  4. DaveG Guest

    On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:32:33 -0500, Peter H. Coffin wrote:

    > Posting in a garmin group is likely to get biased answers, but I think
    > they are. Enough that I'm willing to pay the small amount more money
    > than I could spend on a feature-equivalent TomTom and miss out on
    > exciting things like being able to change the navigation voice to Darth
    > Vader or whetever it is this week.


    You can do that with a Garmin too :)

    http://developer.garmin.com/web-device/content-toolkit/#voice

    Google for Garmin Voice for all the new and wonderfully exciting voices
    to spice up your end user driving experience. (removes tongue from cheek)

    > It does seem to be something of a
    > TomTom foible to be ... enthusiastic about declaring map features to be
    > roads.




    --
    You cannot simply assume someone is honest
    just because they are not an MP.
     
    DaveG, Oct 7, 2010
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  5. U V Guest

    On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:07:53 -0400, Lee <>
    wrote:

    >Hi, have been using a Garmin now for a couple of years and have had
    >no complaints. It does a great job and the only adverse comment I
    >could make was the fault of the owner (me). Somehow a check mark
    >disappeared in the program settings and I ended up on a dirt road with a
    >MH and a tow car and no place to turn around. But again not the fault
    >of the GPS. Would I buy another one? Definitely yes!


    I don't remember you telling us this over on RORT Lee. LOL

    --
    The Universal Visionary
     
    U V, Oct 7, 2010
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  6. Jimbo Guest

    On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:36:23 -0500, wrote:

    >I bought a Tomtom GPS a while back, and I have found it to be beyond
    >useless. It's so bad, it tells me to turn into corn fields in the
    >middle of freeways, and has gone so far as to lead me completely the
    >wrong way, or down roads that dead end after 10 miles of driving down
    >rural gravel roads. It's less than a year old, so it's not outdated.
    >I think the Tomtom is just plain garbage. This past weekend it nearly
    >went bonkers on me. I knew the route I was traveling, I just had the
    >Tomtom turned on to see if it lead me the right way. It was so poor
    >that I have decided to never use it again. I'm going to sell it at
    >our garage sale, and in all honesty I doubt I'll ever buy another GPS
    >after this horrible experience. But just for grins, I was told that
    >Garmin is much better. Is it?



    No They are just different. Be sure to set the fastest route in the
    setup or the thing will send you through back yards, cow paths, and
    god knows were else. Look at the satellite maps on Google or MapQuest.
    You will be surprised at the number of roads that were never built or
    closed so long the grass has grown over them.

    Most of the GPS units use map data from Navteq. So they all make the
    same stupid mistakes. Even Streets and Trips makes the same mistakes.
    I like TomTom's status line best but Garmin has a whole page of info
    you can display instead of the map.

    Get an up to date map.There has been a lot of construction in some
    areas.
     
    Jimbo, Oct 7, 2010
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  7. Lee Guest

    Well it was a little embarrassing don't you know!

    U V wrote:
    > I don't remember you telling us this over on RORT Lee. LOL


    --
    Lee (in Florida)US Army Retired
    Georgie Boy Cruise Master
    Logitech VidCam & Skype lee.g.bray
     
    Lee, Oct 7, 2010
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  8. NA Guest

    On 10/7/2010 12:43 PM EDT, Jimbo wrote:

    >
    > Most of the GPS units use map data from Navteq. ...


    Aren't TomTom maps from Tele Atlas while Garmin maps are sourced by NAVTEQ?
     
    NA, Oct 7, 2010
    #8
  9. Guest

    On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:43:43 -0400, Jimbo <>
    wrote:

    >No They are just different. Be sure to set the fastest route in the
    >setup or the thing will send you through back yards, cow paths, and
    >god knows were else. Look at the satellite maps on Google or MapQuest.
    >You will be surprised at the number of roads that were never built or
    >closed so long the grass has grown over them.
    >
    > Most of the GPS units use map data from Navteq. So they all make the
    >same stupid mistakes. Even Streets and Trips makes the same mistakes.
    >I like TomTom's status line best but Garmin has a whole page of info
    >you can display instead of the map.
    >
    >Get an up to date map.There has been a lot of construction in some
    >areas.


    While I agree about the construction areas, I was on a road that's
    been the same for many years. I had almost 40 miles to drive on this
    particular straight road before getting to my destination. the Tomtom
    told me the following severe errors.

    1. One mile after getting on this road, it told me to turn into the
    parking lot of a factory, and make an immediate right.

    2. To make two additional turns along this route (for no reason at
    all)

    3. After crossing a major intersection, it told me to turn right, then
    make an immediate right. This was the parking lot for a gas station.

    4. Two miles before my destination it told me (THREE TIMES) to make a
    left where there were no roads at all, just corn fields.

    Since I knew where I was going, I just ignored these instructions, but
    if I was really needing help, this kind of information is worthless.
    A plain old fashioned paper map is far more useful. I dont care if my
    GPS talks like Darth Vader or Bozo the clown. Those features are just
    useless toys. I want ACCURATE directions.

    This Tomtom is less than a year old, and I was not on a new highway.
    This is not acceptable at all. I will never use it again. It either
    gets sold at the next garage sale, or will get stuffed in the closet.
    It's worthless and was a waste of money. I bought it to save gas and
    travel time. It has worked the opposite. My reason for posting this
    to this Garmin newsgroup is because I might buy a Garmin if it
    actually works correctly. Otherwise I'll just save my money and use
    the old fashioned paper maps that I have used for the past 40 years of
    driving. I often drive alone, and it's hard to read maps without
    pulling over on the shoulder of the road. I have many times gotten
    myself lost and wasted gas and time. But since I got this Tomtom, I
    have wasted MORE gas an time. That's why I turned it on during this 6
    hour (240 mile) trip in which I knew the directions, and this proved
    just how poorly this Tomtom really gives directions.
     
    , Oct 7, 2010
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  10. ps56k Guest

    just added the x-post to TT

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I bought a Tomtom GPS a while back, and I have found it to be beyond
    > useless. It's so bad, it tells me to turn into corn fields in the
    > middle of freeways, and has gone so far as to lead me completely the
    > wrong way, or down roads that dead end after 10 miles of driving down
    > rural gravel roads. It's less than a year old, so it's not outdated.
    > I think the Tomtom is just plain garbage. This past weekend it nearly
    > went bonkers on me. I knew the route I was traveling, I just had the
    > Tomtom turned on to see if it lead me the right way. It was so poor
    > that I have decided to never use it again. I'm going to sell it at
    > our garage sale, and in all honesty I doubt I'll ever buy another GPS
    > after this horrible experience. But just for grins, I was told that
    > Garmin is much better. Is it?
    >
     
    ps56k, Oct 7, 2010
    #10
  11. Guest

    On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:20:12 -0500, "ps56k"
    <> wrote:

    >just added the x-post to TT
    >


    And your point is?????
     
    , Oct 7, 2010
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  12. ps56k Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:20:12 -0500, "ps56k"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>just added the x-post to TT
    >>

    >
    > And your point is?????
    >

    sorry -
    thought you wanted an intelligent discussion
    concerning the pros and cons of GPS devices - Garmin vs TomTom

    ---
    I'm selling my Tomtom One at the next garage sale. It's worthless and
    was a waste of money. I'll just sell it for whatever I can get and
    take a loss on most of the money I spent. I refuse to let this thing
    direct me wrongly and waste my time and gas money. I've changed the
    settings, and done all the things needed, and it's proven to be worst
    than useless. I've used it for the last time. I've been driving
    about 40 years and will use paper maps as I have always done. No more
    GPS for me. It's become nothing but a source of annoyance.

    Before I sell it, I want to remove all my personal data such as my
    "Home" and all the "archives" of recent trips. In other words, I want
    to set it back to factory defaults. Is this possible? How? Do I
    need to remove the batteries, or let them totally discharge, or is
    there another way?
     
    ps56k, Oct 8, 2010
    #12
  13. Guest

    On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:00:04 -0500, "ps56k"
    <> wrote:

    >sorry -
    >thought you wanted an intelligent discussion
    >concerning the pros and cons of GPS devices - Garmin vs TomTom


    Yes, I do want an intelligent discussion. I'm not trying to make one
    brand look better or worse, but I am being honest about my horrid
    experience with Tomtom GPSs. I got much less lost and confused when I
    had to just rely on the old paper maps. This Tomtom is majorly
    f***ked. I can no longer put any trust in it whatsoever, so it's got
    to go. I dont need something else to clutter my closet, so I'll take
    the few dollars I get at the rummage sale and save it for a better
    GPS, or just purchase a new Road Atlas. If I hear that Garmin is
    reliable, I might get one if I find one on sale. So far I have heard
    little bad about Garmin, but I want lots of honest replies. Not just
    what the salesman has to say.

    I guess your cross posting does make sense, so thanks.

    JW
     
    , Oct 8, 2010
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  14. Don Pearce Guest

    On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:56:10 -0500, wrote:

    >On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:00:04 -0500, "ps56k"
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>sorry -
    >>thought you wanted an intelligent discussion
    >>concerning the pros and cons of GPS devices - Garmin vs TomTom

    >
    >Yes, I do want an intelligent discussion. I'm not trying to make one
    >brand look better or worse, but I am being honest about my horrid
    >experience with Tomtom GPSs. I got much less lost and confused when I
    >had to just rely on the old paper maps. This Tomtom is majorly
    >f***ked. I can no longer put any trust in it whatsoever, so it's got
    >to go. I dont need something else to clutter my closet, so I'll take
    >the few dollars I get at the rummage sale and save it for a better
    >GPS, or just purchase a new Road Atlas. If I hear that Garmin is
    >reliable, I might get one if I find one on sale. So far I have heard
    >little bad about Garmin, but I want lots of honest replies. Not just
    >what the salesman has to say.
    >
    >I guess your cross posting does make sense, so thanks.
    >
    >JW


    You talk very loftily of honesty, yet you are seeking to sell to some
    unsuspecting dupe an item you know to be faulty.

    d
     
    Don Pearce, Oct 8, 2010
    #14
  15. Guest

    On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:35:38 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

    >On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:56:10 -0500, wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:00:04 -0500, "ps56k"
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>>sorry -
    >>>thought you wanted an intelligent discussion
    >>>concerning the pros and cons of GPS devices - Garmin vs TomTom

    >>
    >>Yes, I do want an intelligent discussion. I'm not trying to make one
    >>brand look better or worse, but I am being honest about my horrid
    >>experience with Tomtom GPSs. I got much less lost and confused when I
    >>had to just rely on the old paper maps. This Tomtom is majorly
    >>f***ked. I can no longer put any trust in it whatsoever, so it's got
    >>to go. I dont need something else to clutter my closet, so I'll take
    >>the few dollars I get at the rummage sale and save it for a better
    >>GPS, or just purchase a new Road Atlas. If I hear that Garmin is
    >>reliable, I might get one if I find one on sale. So far I have heard
    >>little bad about Garmin, but I want lots of honest replies. Not just
    >>what the salesman has to say.
    >>
    >>I guess your cross posting does make sense, so thanks.
    >>
    >>JW

    >
    >You talk very loftily of honesty, yet you are seeking to sell to some
    >unsuspecting dupe an item you know to be faulty.
    >
    >d


    Did I say whether I was going to tell the buyer whether this thing
    works properly or is defective? NO I DID NOT MENTION IT.
    Only an ASS ASSumes what others will do !!!!!

    If I put a $5 price tag on it, with a warning "not accurate", it's
    still works for knowing what road someone is on. Just kill the speech
    (sound) and watch the screen. I just want it out of my life and not
    in the closet. If no one pays $5 for it, I'll get $5 worth of stress
    relief smashing it with a hammer. That's after I try to salvage the
    built in battery, and saving the cord, which may or may not have any
    value. This thing has pissed me off more than once, so I might just
    smash it to get it gone if we dont have a rummage sale soon.
     
    , Oct 8, 2010
    #15
  16. Stuart Guest

    In article <>,
    <> wrote:
    > If I hear that Garmin is
    > reliable, I might get one if I find one on sale. So far I have heard
    > little bad about Garmin, but I want lots of honest replies. Not just
    > what the salesman has to say.


    My first Satnav was a Garmin - given to me by a friend. Every time I
    turned it on it told me my maps were out of date (which is fair enough
    because they probably were) but every time I went on the net it said
    "there are no updates available".

    Every time I deviated from the route it wanted to take, it screamed at me
    "RECALCULATING, RECALCULATING" My TomTom just gets on with it quietly and
    continues to give me directions.

    Every time I wanted to go somewhere it insisted I had to put in a full
    address with postcode and house number. Not all houses have numbers,
    especially in the country. My TomTom doesn't do that, I can just put in
    the name of a town, say, and find a car park. I can browse the map and
    just select a point where I want to be. As someone who likes walking in
    the hills and open country this is useful as I can just select the
    starting point for the walk and it gets me there.

    I am on my second TomTom because the first went AWOL but in three years
    /only once/ has it made a mistake.

    I had been to an exhibition in Birmingham (UK), not a place I normally
    drive, and the area was completely unfamiliar to me. It was a dark night
    in December and the traffic was very busy. It brought me to a traffic
    light controlled junction and told me to turn right. There was a right
    turn lane so I moved into it, the filter light turned to green and I made
    the turn. It was only as we made the turn that my passenger noticed a
    small sign on the opposite side of the road that indicated only buses
    could turn right. Why, escapes me, as we were turning onto a road that had
    normal two-way traffic and was a busy route in and out of the city.

    My advice is to go to the website of any manufacturer you fancy, download
    the instruction book for the devices you are interested in and read
    carefully what it can do and how to operate it properly before you buy it,
    and then make your decision.
     
    Stuart, Oct 8, 2010
    #16
  17. cykelsmeden Guest

    Den 08-10-2010 10:25, Stuart skrev:
    > My advice is to go to the website of any manufacturer you fancy, download
    > the instruction book for the devices you are interested in and read
    > carefully what it can do and how to operate it properly before you buy it,
    > and then make your decision.


    But what fails to inform from instructionbooks, is the ease of use, and
    the general feeel. I've been using TomTom as well as Garmin Nüvo, and
    the latter stinks in sound (I'm Danish-spoken) as well as in
    actuality(updates), - beside the screaming "RECALCULATING" :)

    //finn
     
    cykelsmeden, Oct 8, 2010
    #17
  18. Mike Coon Guest

    Stuart wrote:
    > I had been to an exhibition in Birmingham (UK), not a place I normally
    > drive, and the area was completely unfamiliar to me. It was a dark
    > night in December and the traffic was very busy. It brought me to a
    > traffic light controlled junction and told me to turn right. There
    > was a right turn lane so I moved into it, the filter light turned to
    > green and I made the turn. It was only as we made the turn that my
    > passenger noticed a small sign on the opposite side of the road that
    > indicated only buses could turn right. Why, escapes me, as we were
    > turning onto a road that had normal two-way traffic and was a busy
    > route in and out of the city.


    Maybe that right turn is too popular and clogs up the road with vehicles
    waiting to filter. Unless restricted to buses. And perhaps the alternative
    long way round is not suitable for buses. But there should have been a
    warning sign further back; maybe you missed it in watching the traffic...

    Mike.
    --
    If reply address is invalid, remove spurious "@" and substitute "plus"
    where needed.
     
    Mike Coon, Oct 8, 2010
    #18
  19. Mike Lane Guest

    wrote on Oct 8, 2010:

    >
    > Yes, I do want an intelligent discussion. I'm not trying to make one
    > brand look better or worse, but I am being honest about my horrid
    > experience with Tomtom GPSs. I got much less lost and confused when I
    > had to just rely on the old paper maps.

    [snip]
    > If I hear that Garmin is
    > reliable, I might get one if I find one on sale. So far I have heard
    > little bad about Garmin, but I want lots of honest replies. Not just
    > what the salesman has to say.
    >

    Well here's one (hopefully honest) reply:

    I can't make any direct comparison between the two brands as I've never used
    a Tomtom, but I can say that I've used a variety of Garmin units to navigate
    all over the UK and western Europe, and had very few errors of any kind.
    Occasionally the unit has got traffic regulations wrong (i.e. one-way streets
    etc.) and sometimes new road developments are not up to date, but this is
    quite rare. Certainly I have *never* had the kind of problems you describe -
    being directed onto non-existant roads etc.

    *However*, I would not necessarily dismiss Tomtom in favour of Garmin on the
    basis of this. With respect, I think that you are confusing two quite
    separate issues here. The first is the design of the gps unit itself, and the
    second is the accuracy of the mapping data that is installed on the unit, and
    I think it is the latter that is the problem in your case. No sat-nav unit
    can function properly if the maps are not accurate, and this will vary from
    one geographical region to another. My impression is that map data in Europe
    is generally a lot more accurate and up-to-date than in the U.S. but I may be
    wrong about this.

    There are two major organizations producing digital mapping data for satnav
    units. The first is Tele Atlas (used by Tomtom) and the other Navteq which is
    used by Garmin. It *may* be that Navteq produces more accurate data for your
    area than Tele Atlas, in which case a Garmin unit would perform better, but
    this is by no means certain.

    You should be able to find ou yourself if it is indeed the map data that is
    at fault on your unit. There should be some way in which you can browse the
    map installed without doing any actual navigation (all Garmin units will
    certainly do this). Examine the map on your Tomtom in the exact place where
    it directed you along a non-existant road for example. Does the (imaginary)
    road exist on the map? If it does, then that is the problem and not the unit
    itself.


    --
    Mike Lane
    UK North Yorkshire
    mike_lane at mac dot com
     
    Mike Lane, Oct 8, 2010
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  20. Op 7-10-2010 20:50, schreef:
    > On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:43:43 -0400, Jimbo<>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> No They are just different. Be sure to set the fastest route in the
    >> setup or the thing will send you through back yards, cow paths, and
    >> god knows were else. Look at the satellite maps on Google or MapQuest.
    >> You will be surprised at the number of roads that were never built or
    >> closed so long the grass has grown over them.
    >>
    >> Most of the GPS units use map data from Navteq. So they all make the
    >> same stupid mistakes. Even Streets and Trips makes the same mistakes.
    >> I like TomTom's status line best but Garmin has a whole page of info
    >> you can display instead of the map.
    >>
    >> Get an up to date map.There has been a lot of construction in some
    >> areas.

    >
    > While I agree about the construction areas, I was on a road that's
    > been the same for many years. I had almost 40 miles to drive on this
    > particular straight road before getting to my destination. the Tomtom
    > told me the following severe errors.
    >
    > 1. One mile after getting on this road, it told me to turn into the
    > parking lot of a factory, and make an immediate right.
    >
    > 2. To make two additional turns along this route (for no reason at
    > all)
    >
    > 3. After crossing a major intersection, it told me to turn right, then
    > make an immediate right. This was the parking lot for a gas station.
    >
    > 4. Two miles before my destination it told me (THREE TIMES) to make a
    > left where there were no roads at all, just corn fields.
    >
    > Since I knew where I was going, I just ignored these instructions, but
    > if I was really needing help, this kind of information is worthless.
    > A plain old fashioned paper map is far more useful. I dont care if my
    > GPS talks like Darth Vader or Bozo the clown. Those features are just
    > useless toys. I want ACCURATE directions.
    >
    > This Tomtom is less than a year old, and I was not on a new highway.
    > This is not acceptable at all. I will never use it again. It either
    > gets sold at the next garage sale, or will get stuffed in the closet.
    > It's worthless and was a waste of money. I bought it to save gas and
    > travel time. It has worked the opposite. My reason for posting this
    > to this Garmin newsgroup is because I might buy a Garmin if it
    > actually works correctly. Otherwise I'll just save my money and use
    > the old fashioned paper maps that I have used for the past 40 years of
    > driving. I often drive alone, and it's hard to read maps without
    > pulling over on the shoulder of the road. I have many times gotten
    > myself lost and wasted gas and time. But since I got this Tomtom, I
    > have wasted MORE gas an time. That's why I turned it on during this 6
    > hour (240 mile) trip in which I knew the directions, and this proved
    > just how poorly this Tomtom really gives directions.
    >

    I guess there is some guarantee on your TomTom. Why didn't you use that?
     
    Thibaud Taudin Chabot, Oct 8, 2010
    #20
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