How long will garmin provide lifetime map update?

Discussion in 'Garmin' started by bob, Jul 25, 2011.

  1. bob

    bob Guest

    My old gps is 5 years old and I'm running into addresses that it cannot
    find. Otherwise, the gps still works fine.

    I'm thinking of buying one of the lifetime map update gps. However, the
    description of lifetime map update says the update is provided until the
    end of the useful life of the device, or until garmin no longer receives
    map data from its third party supplier.

    Any idea how long the useful life of a new garmin gps is defined to be?

    The clause "no longer receives map data from its third party supplier"
    sounds a bit funny. Obviously, this can happen if garmin stops paying
    the third party supplier.

    Has anyone purchased an early LM model and has reached the end of the
    lifetime map update? If so, how many years did it last?
     
    bob, Jul 25, 2011
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  2. In article <j0kqjc$a85$>, bob <>
    wrote:

    > Any idea how long the useful life of a new garmin gps is defined to be?


    Defined by Garmin, as per its repair policies, or by third parties able
    to repair them.

    And then it's defined by *you*, when you evaluate the cost of repairing
    (and either swapping the battery or living with an old practically dead
    battery).


    >
    > The clause "no longer receives map data from its third party supplier"
    > sounds a bit funny. Obviously, this can happen if garmin stops paying
    > the third party supplier.


    Sure it can.

    Don't buy ahead on a promise like that. Chances are that you'll want a
    newer device anyway more quickly than you think, and that'll come with a
    new map.

    How often did you switch out your paper maps?
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jul 26, 2011
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  3. On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:26:49 -0700, bob wrote:
    > My old gps is 5 years old and I'm running into addresses that it cannot
    > find. Otherwise, the gps still works fine.
    >
    > I'm thinking of buying one of the lifetime map update gps. However, the
    > description of lifetime map update says the update is provided until the
    > end of the useful life of the device, or until garmin no longer receives
    > map data from its third party supplier.
    >
    > Any idea how long the useful life of a new garmin gps is defined to be?
    >
    > The clause "no longer receives map data from its third party supplier"
    > sounds a bit funny. Obviously, this can happen if garmin stops paying
    > the third party supplier.
    >
    > Has anyone purchased an early LM model and has reached the end of the
    > lifetime map update? If so, how many years did it last?


    Pre-NT ("New Technology") devices can't get map updates to anything
    except the base world map and Canada[1]. Which puts the proprietary CF and
    disc-based StreetPilots, the first-generation eTrex units, and an
    assortment of others of similar vintage. More or less, made in 2005 and
    later is PROBABLY still eligible for updates, and my guess is that
    you'll be okay with a recent model for at least another five years or
    so, even if they started on a new mapping data structure with new models
    released this year.

    [1] Assertion based on about 10 minutes of research; may be in error.

    --
    For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?
    -- Paul (I Corinthians 10:29)
     
    Peter H. Coffin, Jul 26, 2011
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  4. bob

    H-M Guest

    The limitation of useful life is really the ability of your device to to
    receive an update from the Garmin Website.
    The Mapsets memory size have been growing significantly. This is not because
    there is significantly more Map data,
    rather because it is loaded with more points of interest (not necessarily
    useful).
    If the Garmin Update Website detects there is not enough memory on the
    device it will not do the update.

    This has already been a complaint on GPS websites because you don't have the
    ability to just download
    the mapset to your computer and then later select that portion of the new
    mapset that will fit on your device.
    I imagine this would be applcable to older non microSD card devices but I
    have not tried it myself.
     
    H-M, Jul 26, 2011
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  5. bob

    Joel Guest

    bob <> wrote:

    > My old gps is 5 years old and I'm running into addresses that it cannot
    > find. Otherwise, the gps still works fine.
    >
    > I'm thinking of buying one of the lifetime map update gps. However, the
    > description of lifetime map update says the update is provided until the
    > end of the useful life of the device, or until garmin no longer receives
    > map data from its third party supplier.
    >
    > Any idea how long the useful life of a new garmin gps is defined to be?
    >
    > The clause "no longer receives map data from its third party supplier"
    > sounds a bit funny. Obviously, this can happen if garmin stops paying
    > the third party supplier.
    >
    > Has anyone purchased an early LM model and has reached the end of the
    > lifetime map update? If so, how many years did it last?


    Lifetime pretty much mean the life of the device or the life of the
    manufacture.

    - If your GPS is still working after 10 years and Garmin is still selling
    GPS and providing the MAP compatible with your 10 years old GPS then you
    continue upgrading the map.

    - If your GPS dies after warrantee is over and you don't want to pay for the
    repair, then it also the END of it's LIFE (lifetime is over).

    Example if you own an older model (StreetPilot for example) and even it's
    still working great, and it it doesn't work with newer MAP then the lifetime
    is finished.
     
    Joel, Jul 26, 2011
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  6. Op 26-7-2011 5:16, H-M schreef:
    > The limitation of useful life is really the ability of your device to to
    > receive an update from the Garmin Website.
    > The Mapsets memory size have been growing significantly. This is not because
    > there is significantly more Map data,
    > rather because it is loaded with more points of interest (not necessarily
    > useful).
    > If the Garmin Update Website detects there is not enough memory on the
    > device it will not do the update.
    >
    > This has already been a complaint on GPS websites because you don't have the
    > ability to just download
    > the mapset to your computer and then later select that portion of the new
    > mapset that will fit on your device.
    > I imagine this would be applcable to older non microSD card devices but I
    > have not tried it myself.
    >

    your last remark is not correct. I download my lifetime update to my
    nuvi and indicate in the process that I want the maps on my nuvi and my
    pc. When the download and install is done to my pc I get a screen with
    al lot of choices. On top is 'whole Europe'. When I select that one I
    get a message that this to much for my nuvi, so I slect 'Western Europe'
    and that fits perfect. In the list of possibilities are many more
    smaller combinations the you can choose.
    Thibaud
     
    Thibaud Taudin Chabot, Jul 26, 2011
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  7. bob

    Guest

    On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:27:15 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
    <> wrote:

    >In article <j0kqjc$a85$>, bob <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >> Any idea how long the useful life of a new garmin gps is defined to be?

    >
    >Defined by Garmin, as per its repair policies, or by third parties able
    >to repair them.
    >
    >And then it's defined by *you*, when you evaluate the cost of repairing
    >(and either swapping the battery or living with an old practically dead
    >battery).
    >
    >
    >>
    >> The clause "no longer receives map data from its third party supplier"
    >> sounds a bit funny. Obviously, this can happen if garmin stops paying
    >> the third party supplier.

    >
    >Sure it can.
    >
    >Don't buy ahead on a promise like that. Chances are that you'll want a
    >newer device anyway more quickly than you think, and that'll come with a
    >new map.
    >
    >How often did you switch out your paper maps?



    And any time Garmin wants to start selling maps again they can change the
    format of the map and it no longer works in your GPS. So it doesn't matter
    if you bought lifetime updates last month.
    --
    Larry
    Citrus Co. Fl.
     
    , Jul 26, 2011
    #7
  8. bob

    Carl Heinz Guest

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:17:22 -0400, wrote:

    >And any time Garmin wants to start selling maps again they can change the
    >format of the map and it no longer works in your GPS. So it doesn't matter
    >if you bought lifetime updates last month.


    The same concern was expressed when Garmin first started the lifetime map
    update program. They've since started including lifetime maps in many of
    their products--but I'll stil stick with my StreetPilots that work with the NT
    form. So far, so good.
    --
    Carl Heinz

    (Remove number)
     
    Carl Heinz, Jul 27, 2011
    #8
  9. In article <>,
    Carl Heinz <> wrote:

    > >And any time Garmin wants to start selling maps again they can change the
    > >format of the map and it no longer works in your GPS. So it doesn't matter
    > >if you bought lifetime updates last month.

    >
    > The same concern was expressed when Garmin first started the lifetime map
    > update program. They've since started including lifetime maps in many of
    > their products


    no, not really.

    They've started offering BUNDLES of the "no extra charge for maps as
    long as we decide to make them" feature with some of their products.
    And the buyer pays more for those bundles.

    The buyer can also opt not to buy it bundled like that, can opt to get
    only the sat-nav unit itself, and pay less.

    Same sat-nav both ways.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jul 27, 2011
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  10. bob

    Mike Lane Guest

    Carl Heinz wrote on Jul 27, 2011:

    > On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:17:22 -0400, wrote:
    >
    >> And any time Garmin wants to start selling maps again they can change the
    >> format of the map and it no longer works in your GPS. So it doesn't matter
    >> if you bought lifetime updates last month.

    >
    > The same concern was expressed when Garmin first started the lifetime map
    > update program. They've since started including lifetime maps in many of
    > their products--but I'll stil stick with my StreetPilots that work with the

    NT
    > form. So far, so good.
    >


    I don't know why everyone seems so worried about this. The fact is that
    according to the current pricing if you buy the Lifetime subscription and get
    more than one update before your gps breaks, or you lose it, or Garmin turns
    nasty, or whatever - you are still paying less than buying the updates
    individually.

    So if you would normally get updates regularly it will probably pay you to
    get the Lifetime deal unless you are extremely unlucky. Why all the angst?

    --
    Mike Lane
    UK North Yorkshire
    mike_lane at mac dot com
     
    Mike Lane, Jul 27, 2011
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  11. bob

    Guest

    On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:25:44 +0100, Mike Lane
    <> wrote:

    >Carl Heinz wrote on Jul 27, 2011:
    >
    >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:17:22 -0400, wrote:
    >>
    >>> And any time Garmin wants to start selling maps again they can change the
    >>> format of the map and it no longer works in your GPS. So it doesn't matter
    >>> if you bought lifetime updates last month.

    >>
    >> The same concern was expressed when Garmin first started the lifetime map
    >> update program. They've since started including lifetime maps in many of
    >> their products--but I'll stil stick with my StreetPilots that work with the

    >NT
    >> form. So far, so good.
    >>

    >
    >I don't know why everyone seems so worried about this. The fact is that
    >according to the current pricing if you buy the Lifetime subscription and get
    >more than one update before your gps breaks, or you lose it, or Garmin turns
    >nasty, or whatever - you are still paying less than buying the updates
    >individually.
    >
    >So if you would normally get updates regularly it will probably pay you to
    >get the Lifetime deal unless you are extremely unlucky. Why all the angst?


    I no longer trust Garmin as I used to. I have been a loyal Garmin customer
    for about 14 or 15 years. I have owned at least 15 or so Garmin GPS receivers
    in that time. I felt that they stuck it to me the last two times I called
    them for service. I also noticed that if you buy accessories from them you
    are overcharged.

    The last few years I have been hoping for them to change their sales direction
    and go back to making units that are full of navigation options and not
    pictures, music, traffic, weather, bluetooth and eye candy.

    I think they still make 'some' good GPS receivers but they also make 'some'
    junk. Let the buyer beware.
    --
    Larry
    Citrus Co. Fl.
     
    , Jul 29, 2011
    #11
  12. bob

    Mike Lane Guest

    wrote on Jul 29, 2011:

    > On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:25:44 +0100, Mike Lane
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> Carl Heinz wrote on Jul 27, 2011:
    >>
    >>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:17:22 -0400, wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> And any time Garmin wants to start selling maps again they can change the
    >>>> format of the map and it no longer works in your GPS. So it doesn't
    >>>> matter
    >>>> if you bought lifetime updates last month.
    >>>
    >>> The same concern was expressed when Garmin first started the lifetime map
    >>> update program. They've since started including lifetime maps in many of
    >>> their products--but I'll stil stick with my StreetPilots that work with
    >>> the

    >> NT
    >>> form. So far, so good.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I don't know why everyone seems so worried about this. The fact is that
    >> according to the current pricing if you buy the Lifetime subscription and
    >> get
    >> more than one update before your gps breaks, or you lose it, or Garmin
    >> turns
    >> nasty, or whatever - you are still paying less than buying the updates
    >> individually.
    >>
    >> So if you would normally get updates regularly it will probably pay you to
    >> get the Lifetime deal unless you are extremely unlucky. Why all the angst?

    >
    > I no longer trust Garmin as I used to. I have been a loyal Garmin customer
    > for about 14 or 15 years. I have owned at least 15 or so Garmin GPS

    receivers
    > in that time. I felt that they stuck it to me the last two times I called
    > them for service. I also noticed that if you buy accessories from them you
    > are overcharged.
    >
    > The last few years I have been hoping for them to change their sales

    direction
    > and go back to making units that are full of navigation options and not
    > pictures, music, traffic, weather, bluetooth and eye candy.
    >
    > I think they still make 'some' good GPS receivers but they also make 'some'
    > junk. Let the buyer beware.
    >


    Do you know of a good alternative to Garmin?

    --
    Mike Lane
    UK North Yorkshire
    mike_lane at mac dot com
     
    Mike Lane, Jul 29, 2011
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  13. bob

    Guest

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:27:08 +0100, Mike Lane
    <> wrote:
    >
    >Do you know of a good alternative to Garmin?


    No, I don't think anyone is any better right now in their price range.

    --
    Larry
    Citrus Co. Fl.
     
    , Jul 31, 2011
    #13
  14. bob

    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:27:08 +0100, Mike Lane
    > <> wrote:
    >>
    >>Do you know of a good alternative to Garmin?

    >
    > No, I don't think anyone is any better right now in their price range.
    >
    > --
    > Larry
    > Citrus Co. Fl.


    No matter how much we complain, it is still an amazing piece of equipment at
    a really low price, considering what it does. I thought the Nuvi 350 was
    great, but my new 2370 is even better.
     
    Ed Pawlowski, Jul 31, 2011
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  15. bob

    Mike Lane Guest

    wrote on Jul 31, 2011:

    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:27:08 +0100, Mike Lane
    > <> wrote:
    >>
    >> Do you know of a good alternative to Garmin?

    >
    > No, I don't think anyone is any better right now in their price range.
    >
    >

    I've come to the same conclusion - unfortunately.. I just wish that they
    would stop this gradual dumbing down. It seems that routes will be the next
    facility to be removed completely - far too complicated for the masses to
    understand :-(

    It's not just the price range either - I'd be prepared to pay a lot more for
    a really advanced model with all the fancy options that the old StreetPilots
    had.

    --
    Mike Lane
    UK North Yorkshire
    mike_lane at mac dot com
     
    Mike Lane, Jul 31, 2011
    #15
  16. In article <>,
    Mike Lane <> wrote:

    > > No, I don't think anyone is any better right now in their price range.
    > >
    > >

    > I've come to the same conclusion - unfortunately.. I just wish that they
    > would stop this gradual dumbing down. It seems that routes will be the next
    > facility to be removed completely - far too complicated for the masses to
    > understand :-(


    No, it's a matter of "don't need it"--and if most people don't need it,
    why bother to continue developing it.

    You sound like an old PC guy, lamenting the "dumbing down" of the world
    of modern personal computers. "Why, in MY day, we had to have an add-in
    card for everything--and we had to set DIP switches! It took a week and
    a half to build a computer, it had 4K of RAM and we LIKED it! And we
    were going uphill both ways in three feet of snow! And when we were
    DONE, all we had were 40 columns of GREEN TEXT! Why, these Wind'as
    people..and don't even GET me going on Macintosh..."
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jul 31, 2011
    #16
  17. bob

    DaveS Guest

    On 7/31/2011 11:56 AM, Mike Lane wrote:
    > wrote on Jul 31, 2011:
    >
    >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:27:08 +0100, Mike Lane
    >> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Do you know of a good alternative to Garmin?

    >>
    >> No, I don't think anyone is any better right now in their price range.
    >>
    >>

    > I've come to the same conclusion - unfortunately.. I just wish that they
    > would stop this gradual dumbing down. It seems that routes will be the next
    > facility to be removed completely - far too complicated for the masses to
    > understand :-(
    >
    > It's not just the price range either - I'd be prepared to pay a lot more for
    > a really advanced model with all the fancy options that the old StreetPilots
    > had.
    >


    I agree with you Mike.
    I thought, when I bought my 2360, that I would be getting all the
    features of my old StreetPilot plus less bulk (a pocketable unit with a
    battery) plus the increased sensitivity of newer chips. Instead, I can't
    transfer routes from PC to GPS, and there are functions displayed in the
    menus that do nothing (optimize order in Trip Planner).

    The lack of information on the Garmin web site about these features, or
    lack of them, is approaching deceptive advertising.

    Dave S.
     
    DaveS, Jul 31, 2011
    #17
  18. bob

    Mike Lane Guest

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote on Jul 31, 2011:

    > In article <>,
    > Mike Lane <> wrote:
    >
    >>> No, I don't think anyone is any better right now in their price range.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> I've come to the same conclusion - unfortunately.. I just wish that they
    >> would stop this gradual dumbing down. It seems that routes will be the next
    >> facility to be removed completely - far too complicated for the masses to
    >> understand :-(

    >
    > No, it's a matter of "don't need it"--and if most people don't need it,
    > why bother to continue developing it.
    >
    > You sound like an old PC guy, lamenting the "dumbing down" of the world
    > of modern personal computers. "Why, in MY day, we had to have an add-in
    > card for everything--and we had to set DIP switches! It took a week and
    > a half to build a computer, it had 4K of RAM and we LIKED it! And we
    > were going uphill both ways in three feet of snow! And when we were
    > DONE, all we had were 40 columns of GREEN TEXT! Why, these Wind'as
    > people..and don't even GET me going on Macintosh..."


    You're getting over-excited again. I *am* an old PC guy, but I think you're
    misunderstanding what I'm saying. PCs (Macs included) have evolved and become
    hugely more capable than their predecessors, but they haven't dumbed down -
    it's just that the user interface has become better. Everything is there if
    you want it, but hidden from view if you don't. If I *really* wanted green
    text, I could have it right now, or I could emulate a Sinclair ZX80 if I
    wanted - but I don't.

    Unfortunately the same can't be said for the gps. The screen has improved a
    lot, and so have the maps, and the sensitivity of the receiver *but* unlike
    the PC, I can't do as much with a Nuvi as I used to with a StreetPilot. What
    bugs me is that there's no good reason for this. The code is still there -
    all that's needed is a decent UI that would hide the geeky bits if they're
    not wanted, but allow you to use them if you do.

    I'm afraid the admen have taken Garmin over and are destroying what they
    don't really understand.

    --
    Mike Lane
    UK North Yorkshire
    mike_lane at mac dot com
     
    Mike Lane, Aug 1, 2011
    #18
  19. bob

    Mike Lane Guest

    DaveS wrote on Jul 31, 2011:

    > On 7/31/2011 11:56 AM, Mike Lane wrote:
    >> wrote on Jul 31, 2011:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:27:08 +0100, Mike Lane
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you know of a good alternative to Garmin?
    >>>
    >>> No, I don't think anyone is any better right now in their price range.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> I've come to the same conclusion - unfortunately.. I just wish that they
    >> would stop this gradual dumbing down. It seems that routes will be the next
    >> facility to be removed completely - far too complicated for the masses to
    >> understand :-(
    >>
    >> It's not just the price range either - I'd be prepared to pay a lot more for
    >> a really advanced model with all the fancy options that the old StreetPilots
    >> had.
    >>

    >
    > I agree with you Mike.
    > I thought, when I bought my 2360, that I would be getting all the
    > features of my old StreetPilot plus less bulk (a pocketable unit with a
    > battery) plus the increased sensitivity of newer chips. Instead, I can't
    > transfer routes from PC to GPS, and there are functions displayed in the
    > menus that do nothing (optimize order in Trip Planner).
    >
    > The lack of information on the Garmin web site about these features, or
    > lack of them, is approaching deceptive advertising.
    >
    > Dave S.
    >


    Yes, well it's a case of 'caveat emptor' these days. As I said in another
    post I think the admen have taken over in Garmin and as we all know deceit
    and misinformation are their stock in trade (all perfectly legal of course).

    --
    Mike Lane
    UK North Yorkshire
    mike_lane at mac dot com
     
    Mike Lane, Aug 1, 2011
    #19
  20. On 7/31/2011 4:32 PM, Mike Lane wrote:
    > Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote on Jul 31, 2011:
    >
    > I'm afraid the admen have taken Garmin over and are destroying what they
    > don't really understand.


    Are you sure that you're not referring to politicians rather than ad
    execs?<g>
     
    Unquestionably Confused, Aug 1, 2011
    #20
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