GPS vs Galileo

Discussion in 'General GPS' started by GijsWuyts, Feb 26, 2004.

  1. GijsWuyts

    GijsWuyts Guest

    According to different press releases the USA has agreed that the EU
    develops a different and independant satelite navigation system,
    called Galileo.
    Untill recently the USA were opposing such a network, since it would
    harm their national security.
    Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
    to approve or oppose such ideas?
    Of course it would leave them out of control, so when the US is again
    attacking a country they cannot disconnect the GPS signal!!!
    Who are they that they think they own the sole right to satelite
    navigation?

    Gijs
     
    GijsWuyts, Feb 26, 2004
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    Roffee Guest

    "GijsWuyts" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > According to different press releases the USA has agreed that the EU
    > develops a different and independant satelite navigation system,
    > called Galileo.
    > Untill recently the USA were opposing such a network, since it would
    > harm their national security.
    > Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
    > to approve or oppose such ideas?
    > Of course it would leave them out of control, so when the US is again
    > attacking a country they cannot disconnect the GPS signal!!!
    > Who are they that they think they own the sole right to satelite
    > navigation?
    >
    > Gijs


    Gijs: You must be ignorant, stupid or something.

    US oppose to such system just because the goverment has sole right to know
    how any situation in the world should be handled. They know who are the bad
    guys and decide who should be the good ones. Please don't come here and
    think that any other country in the world should even consider thinking they
    know better. If US has full control over navigation system, then they can
    rule in a democratic way that benefits all peaceful nations. Democratic, as
    long as you dont oppose to it, that is.

    Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :)

    -Roffee
     
    Roffee, Feb 26, 2004
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  3. GijsWuyts wrote:

    > Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
    > to approve or oppose such ideas?


    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

    At least the US recognize the military impact of a system like Galileo.
    Most Europeans don't even think about this aspect and the EU + ESA
    always talk about the civilian nature of Galileo. But is this really true?

    Just think about modern military. They need an accurate - and worldwide
    - positioning system. Under their own control. And since relations
    between Old Europe and the New World have become more difficult than
    ever (not that they have been too cheerfully in the past, just think
    about NATO and De Gaulle), Galileo is the natural solution.

    You realy belive in the money coming from the private sector? No, these
    billions of Euros will be spent anyway, out of our tax pockets. With the
    military sector as the driving force.

    MfG, Roland
    --
    http://www.koelnmafia.de/
     
    Roland Dieterich, Feb 26, 2004
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    Mussu Guest

    "Roland Dieterich" <> kirjoitti viestissä
    news:...
    > GijsWuyts wrote:
    >
    > > Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
    > > to approve or oppose such ideas?

    >
    > "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao
    >
    > At least the US recognize the military impact of a system like Galileo.
    > Most Europeans don't even think about this aspect and the EU + ESA
    > always talk about the civilian nature of Galileo. But is this really true?


    If not, so what? Do you think that Europe has not any right for military
    defence, independent from US?

    > You realy belive in the money coming from the private sector? No, these
    > billions of Euros will be spent anyway, out of our tax pockets. With the
    > military sector as the driving force.


    http://europa.eu.int/comm/space/prog/galileo_en.html

    How will it be financed?

    The start-up costs through to 2008 for this system are estimated at 3.25
    billion. Much of the financing will be raised through an open public-private
    partnership scheme.
    Study phase
    Almost 80 million from European funds have already been allocated for this
    study phase, now nearing completion.
    Development phase (2001-2006)
    A joint (Union/ESA) public funding of 1.1 billion is budgeted. On March
    2001, a group of industrialists (service providers, operators, space system
    and parts manufacturers) agreed to set up a joint company with an investment
    of 200 million. They will play an active role in defining the services
    offered by Galileo.
    Deployment phase (2006-2007)
    The satellite deployment phase should be achieved with a financing of 2.1
    billion, most of which will be raised by the private sector.
    Operational phase (2008)
    Maintenance costs are estimated at 220 million a year.
     
    Mussu, Feb 27, 2004
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    Mussu Guest

    "Roffee" <> kirjoitti viestissä
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    > US oppose to such system just because the goverment has sole right to know
    > how any situation in the world should be handled. They know who are the

    bad
    > guys and decide who should be the good ones. Please don't come here and
    > think that any other country in the world should even consider thinking

    they
    > know better. If US has full control over navigation system, then they can
    > rule in a democratic way that benefits all peaceful nations. Democratic,

    as
    > long as you dont oppose to it, that is.
    >
    > Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :)


    Not at all political, only realistic and fine summary on recent global
    situation.
     
    Mussu, Feb 27, 2004
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    Tom Cat Guest

    "Roffee" <> schreef op 26 feb 2004 in
    news:403e5840$:

    > Gijs: You must be ignorant, stupid or something.


    I agree he put it in a rather blunt way.

    > US oppose to such system just because the goverment has sole right to
    > know how any situation in the world should be handled. They know who are
    > the bad guys and decide who should be the good ones. Please don't come
    > here and think that any other country in the world should even consider
    > thinking they know better.


    Hum, did you say anything about being ignorant, stupid or something ?

    > If US has full control over navigation
    > system, then they can rule in a democratic way that benefits all
    > peaceful nations. Democratic, as long as you dont oppose to it, that is.


    Strange kind of democracy.

    > Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :)


    Me neither. ;-)

    --
    Tom Cat
     
    Tom Cat, Feb 28, 2004
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    Edmund Guest

    In message <Xns949DB68EDBCDKater@195.130.132.68>, Tom Cat wrote:
    > "Roffee" <> schreef op 26 feb 2004 in
    > news:403e5840$:
    >


    > > If US has full control over navigation
    > > system, then they can rule in a democratic way that benefits all
    > > peaceful nations. Democratic, as long as you dont oppose to it, that is.

    >
    > Strange kind of democracy.


    That what he meant.
    >
    > > Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :)

    >
    > Me neither. ;-)
    >
     
    Edmund, Mar 1, 2004
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