Garmin Map 60CSx Battery Life

Discussion in 'General GPS' started by Crowe2000, Feb 7, 2006.

  1. Crowe2000

    Crowe2000 Guest

    Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I could
    get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    different? They boast up to 30 hours

    Anthony
     
    Crowe2000, Feb 7, 2006
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  2. Crowe2000

    qwerty Guest

    "Crowe2000" <> wrote in message
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    > Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I
    > could
    > get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    > different? They boast up to 30 hours


    I've been using my 60CS for about 1 1\2 years now and I easily average in
    the 20-30 hour range using cheapo standard alkaline batteries from Costco.
     
    qwerty, Feb 7, 2006
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  3. Crowe2000

    Jack Erbes Guest

    Crowe2000 wrote:

    > Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I could
    > get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    > different? They boast up to 30 hours


    Alkaline cells have a higher starting voltage (1.5V) than NiMH cells
    (1.2V). So fresh or fully charged NiMH cells might look like partially
    depleted cells to the logic of the power monitoring circuit.

    And after the voltage falls a little more it may even drop to the cutoff
    voltage where the unit will shut itself off.

    Did the GPS shut itself off or just give low battery warnings? If just
    the warnings, I'd try ignoring them and seeing how long it takes before
    the unit actually shuts itself off. It may go for a long time. Or it
    may not, depending on what the shutdown voltage is set to.

    Jack

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    Jack Erbes, Feb 8, 2006
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  4. Crowe2000

    Phil Wheeler Guest

    qwerty wrote:
    > "Crowe2000" <> wrote in message
    > news:eC3Gf.344$...
    >
    >>Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I
    >>could
    >>get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    >>different? They boast up to 30 hours

    >
    >
    > I've been using my 60CS for about 1 1\2 years now and I easily average in
    > the 20-30 hour range using cheapo standard alkaline batteries from Costco.
    >
    >


    Are both sets of data with the sensors (compass + altimeter) on??

    I would expect the new, more capable receiver (SiRF?) to take some more
    power, but not 3x more.

    Phil
     
    Phil Wheeler, Feb 8, 2006
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  5. Crowe2000

    Guest

    On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:06:57 -0600, "Crowe2000" <> wrote:

    >Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I could
    >get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    >different? They boast up to 30 hours
    >
    >Anthony
    >


    What capacity cells/charger are you using?

    Garmin's website advertises " Battery life: 18 hours (typical use) using
    two AA alkaline batteries" for the Map 60CSx, but this might be for the 'battery
    saver' mode (I'm not at all certain of this).

    With Energizer 2500 cells, charged using a Maha C401-FS charger, I was
    seeing run times of 17.5 to 18 hours. This was in the 'normal' mode, no back
    light, compass off, WAAS off and the unit was stationary during that time.

    Using the same cells (same conditions) in a Map 60CS, run time was 26
    hours (Garmin advertise 20 hours for this model).

    Although this is a substantial reduction in run time, when we expect
    increased run times with new models, as was the case until the x series, the
    improved reception is desirable, but I didn't expect such a reduction as this.

    The reduction in run time with this model was anticipated, as the 'Alarm
    Clock' feature of the 60CS is not in the CSx menu - it won't run long enough
    under it's own power to be useful.

    Some observations on this particular 60CSx:

    Quirk: A longer button press is required to turn it on, with nothing appearing
    to happen for a second or two.

    Quirk: Depending upon which mode it was last used (day/night) and it is turned
    on in the other time period, it won't change to the proper mode (day/night)
    until it locks on to the sats.

    New feature: Can be powered through the USB port.
     
    , Feb 8, 2006
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  6. On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:39:45 +0100, <> wrote:

    > Some observations on this particular 60CSx:


    I have to turn it off and on again each time I drive thru a tunnel. Have
    you seen this?

    I've also had one lock-up. I had to remove the batteries to get it back
    on. Earlier (with 60CS) I could hold down the power button for a few secs
    to force it to power down.
     
    Helge Olav Helgesen, Feb 8, 2006
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  7. On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:00:07 +0100, Jack Erbes <>
    wrote:

    > Did the GPS shut itself off or just give low battery warnings? If just
    > the warnings, I'd try ignoring them and seeing how long it takes before
    > the unit actually shuts itself off. It may go for a long time. Or it
    > may not, depending on what the shutdown voltage is set to.


    The UPS can be configured to use both Alkaline and NiMH. Since it does not
    charge the batteries my guess is that it adjusts the battery gauge and the
    low-bat warnings.
     
    Helge Olav Helgesen, Feb 8, 2006
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  8. Crowe2000

    Guest

    On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:27:07 +0100, "Helge Olav Helgesen" <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:39:45 +0100, <> wrote:
    >
    >> Some observations on this particular 60CSx:

    >
    >I have to turn it off and on again each time I drive thru a tunnel. Have
    >you seen this?
    >
    >I've also had one lock-up. I had to remove the batteries to get it back
    >on. Earlier (with 60CS) I could hold down the power button for a few secs
    >to force it to power down.


    Nothing like that (yet). I tried a simulation (no tunnels) by placing
    the unit in a stainless steel saucepan (lid on) for several minutes. Upon
    removing the lid, the no sat. warning was seen briefly before the signal
    strength increased.

    Have you updated the firmware?

    GPSMAP 60CSx Ver. 2.50 as of January 23, 2006

    Fixed compatibility issues with preprogrammed data cards. Some cards may not
    unlock properly with software version 2.40.

    Unmentioned bugs might also be fixed in this version.
     
    , Feb 8, 2006
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  9. On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:08:12 +0100, <> wrote:

    > Nothing like that (yet). I tried a simulation (no tunnels) by placing
    > the unit in a stainless steel saucepan (lid on) for several minutes. Upon
    > removing the lid, the no sat. warning was seen briefly before the signal
    > strength increased.


    My tunnel is about 1 km. long. I get "satelitte lost" inside the tunnel.
    Usually when I get out it aquires a fix within a few seconds but dies
    within a minute.

    This seems to happend often if I am driving on directions. (in a route)

    I spoke with the norwegian distributor that have seen the problem on other
    units (SP I think!) but not on this one

    > Have you updated the firmware?
    > GPSMAP 60CSx Ver. 2.50 as of January 23, 2006


    Yes. No change.
     
    Helge Olav Helgesen, Feb 8, 2006
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  10. Crowe2000

    qwerty Guest

    "Phil Wheeler" <> wrote in message
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    > qwerty wrote:
    >> "Crowe2000" <> wrote in message
    >> news:eC3Gf.344$...
    >>
    >>>Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I
    >>>could
    >>>get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    >>>different? They boast up to 30 hours

    >>
    >>
    >> I've been using my 60CS for about 1 1\2 years now and I easily average in
    >> the 20-30 hour range using cheapo standard alkaline batteries from
    >> Costco.

    >
    > Are both sets of data with the sensors (compass + altimeter) on??


    You can turn off the altimeter? Although I usually have the magnetic
    compass off, I've used it with both the compass on or off and haven't
    experienced that great a difference in battery life. I average at least 2
    hours a day, 7 days a week, and a set of batteries easily last 2 weeks or
    more. Having WAAS on or off doesn't make that big of a difference either. I
    stand by my comments above.
     
    qwerty, Feb 8, 2006
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  11. Crowe2000

    Ron Guest

    "Helge Olav Helgesen" <> schreef in bericht
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    > My tunnel is about 1 km. long. I get "satelitte lost" inside the tunnel.
    > Usually when I get out it aquires a fix within a few seconds but dies
    > within a minute.
    >
    > This seems to happend often if I am driving on directions. (in a route)
    >
    > I spoke with the norwegian distributor that have seen the problem on other
    > units (SP I think!) but not on this one
    >
    >> Have you updated the firmware?
    >> GPSMAP 60CSx Ver. 2.50 as of January 23, 2006

    >
    > Yes. No change.


    I've experienced the same thing today, drove trough a tunnel, after tunnel
    reacquiring sat's. After a while (could be a minute) my GPSMAP60Cx lost all
    satellites and I had to power down and on to (immediately) reacquire lock on
    8 satellites. I was also driving a calculated route, with map page on.
    I'm still on firmware ver 2.40

    TDM900
     
    Ron, Feb 9, 2006
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  12. <> wrote in
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    >
    > The reduction in run time with this model was anticipated, as the 'Alarm
    > Clock' feature of the 60CS is not in the CSx menu - it won't run long
    > enough
    > under it's own power to be useful.


    why? On the 60CS, the alarm clock works with the receiver switched off. I
    don't need to keep it on overnight. So I conclude that the power consumption
    of the inactive receiver part would not affect the alarm clock.

    And I guess that the CSx also has an internal daytime clock running while
    switched off. Otherwise it could not find the proper sats upon being
    switched on.

    --

    Heinrich
    http://www.gartrip.de
    mail: new<at>gartrip.de
     
    Heinrich Pfeifer, Feb 10, 2006
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  13. Crowe2000

    Guest

    On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:55:02 +0100, "Heinrich Pfeifer" <> wrote:

    >
    ><> wrote in
    >news:...
    >>
    >> The reduction in run time with this model was anticipated, as the 'Alarm
    >> Clock' feature of the 60CS is not in the CSx menu - it won't run long
    >> enough
    >> under it's own power to be useful.

    >
    >why? On the 60CS, the alarm clock works with the receiver switched off. I
    >don't need to keep it on overnight. So I conclude that the power consumption
    >of the inactive receiver part would not affect the alarm clock.
    >
    >And I guess that the CSx also has an internal daytime clock running while
    >switched off. Otherwise it could not find the proper sats upon being
    >switched on.


    I didn't realize that, having never used the feature (so I shouldn't
    miss it on the CSx). I don't know why it isn't available on the CSx.
     
    , Feb 10, 2006
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  14. Crowe2000

    Holger Issle Guest

    Hi,

    > I've experienced the same thing today, drove trough a tunnel, after tunnel
    > reacquiring sat's. After a while (could be a minute) my GPSMAP60Cx lost all
    > satellites and I had to power down and on to (immediately) reacquire lock on
    > 8 satellites. I was also driving a calculated route, with map page on.
    > I'm still on firmware ver 2.40


    This sounds like the bug in an early sirf 3 firmware version... had
    the same thing in my BT sirf3 mouse.
    --

    Ciao,
    Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100)

    90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm
    95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 50 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!)

    cu @ http://www.issle.de
     
    Holger Issle, Feb 10, 2006
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  15. Crowe2000

    peter Guest

    wrote:
    > On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:55:02 +0100, "Heinrich Pfeifer" <> wrote:
    > ><> wrote in
    > >news:...
    > >>
    > >> The reduction in run time with this model was anticipated, as the 'Alarm
    > >> Clock' feature of the 60CS is not in the CSx menu - it won't run long
    > >> enough
    > >> under it's own power to be useful.

    > >
    > >why? On the 60CS, the alarm clock works with the receiver switched off. I
    > >don't need to keep it on overnight. So I conclude that the power consumption
    > >of the inactive receiver part would not affect the alarm clock.
    > >
    > >And I guess that the CSx also has an internal daytime clock running while
    > >switched off. Otherwise it could not find the proper sats upon being
    > >switched on.

    >
    > I didn't realize that, having never used the feature (so I shouldn't
    > miss it on the CSx). I don't know why it isn't available on the CSx.


    Another feature that's missing on the CSx model is the barometer
    pressure plot keeping track of changes even when the unit is turned
    off. Both this feature and the alarm clock require that the clock chip
    be able to 'wake up' the processor at a set time. So I'd suspect that
    the new CSx models use a different clock chip and/or processor which
    may not have that capability. Unfortunately if that's the case then
    this wouldn't be fixable with a firmware update.
     
    peter, Feb 10, 2006
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  16. Crowe2000

    Bob Denton Guest

    My 60Cx only gets close to 18 hours in power saver mode, otherwise
    it's the same story.


    On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:06:57 -0600, "Crowe2000"
    <> wrote:

    >Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I could
    >get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    >different? They boast up to 30 hours
    >
    >Anthony
    >

    Bob Denton
    Blue Ridge Art & Graphics
    www.blueridge-signs.com
     
    Bob Denton, Feb 26, 2006
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  17. Crowe2000

    Phil Wheeler Guest

    Bob Denton wrote:
    > My 60Cx only gets close to 18 hours in power saver mode, otherwise
    > it's the same story.
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:06:57 -0600, "Crowe2000"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I could
    >>get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    >>different? They boast up to 30 hours
    >>


    Not a surprise. The specified battery life for the 60Cx is "up to" 18
    hrs (manual, page 74).. vs. 30 hrs for the 60C.

    And I would expect the added performance .. and on my 60Cx vs. 60C the
    difference is dramatic .. would consume more power.

    Worth it to me, to be sure.

    Phil
     
    Phil Wheeler, Feb 26, 2006
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  18. Crowe2000

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Jack Erbes wrote:
    > Crowe2000 wrote:
    >
    >> Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I
    >> could
    >> get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    >> different? They boast up to 30 hours

    >
    > Alkaline cells have a higher starting voltage (1.5V) than NiMH cells
    > (1.2V). So fresh or fully charged NiMH cells might look like partially
    > depleted cells to the logic of the power monitoring circuit.


    You would, however, think that because the 60Csx (like many other Garmin
    units) allows you to set the battery type in to either alkaline or NiMH,
    it would have the intelligence built in to determine appropriate battery
    life accordingly, including adjusting its shut-off voltage.




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    Isaiah Beard, Mar 4, 2006
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  19. Crowe2000

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    wrote:
    > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:06:57 -0600, "Crowe2000" <> wrote:



    > Some observations on this particular 60CSx:
    >
    > Quirk: A longer button press is required to turn it on, with nothing appearing
    > to happen for a second or two.


    Actually, I've found that the button press time is actually the same on
    the 60Csz as well as my 60C, though the unit does take a second or so
    after releaseing the button to actually turn on. The screen will
    "flicker," at that point, you can let the button go, and the unit will
    then power up.

    Seems the SiRF III interface must take a bit longer to bring online.


    > New feature: Can be powered through the USB port.


    Yes, very nice! Especially when updating the firmware or loading a
    large map set (which can now be done when loading up 512MB or more of
    map data).

    --
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    Isaiah Beard, Mar 4, 2006
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  20. Crowe2000

    Phil Wheeler Guest

    Isaiah Beard wrote:
    > Jack Erbes wrote:
    >
    >> Crowe2000 wrote:
    >>
    >>> Tested this twice using Energizer NiMH rechargeable batteries. Most I
    >>> could
    >>> get out of the unit was 8 hours (no light on). Is anyone seeing anything
    >>> different? They boast up to 30 hours

    >>


    Not so. For the 60C they say up to 30 hrs.

    For the 60Cx they say up to 18 hrs. And if you have the sensors enabled
    in the 60CSx, that will be less.

    Phil
     
    Phil Wheeler, Mar 4, 2006
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