Comparison GPS vs Galileo?

Discussion in 'Global Navigation Satellite Systems' started by Ingolf Steinbach, Oct 27, 2003.

  1. Hi,

    where can I find good (i.e. technical, no glossy brochure)
    comparisons of GPS versus Galileo on the web?

    Kind regards
    Ingolf
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    Ingolf Steinbach, Oct 27, 2003
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  2. Ingolf Steinbach

    ouch Guest

    >Hi,
    >
    >where can I find good (i.e. technical, no glossy brochure)
    >comparisons of GPS versus Galileo on the web?
    >
    >Kind regards
    > Ingolf


    I'm sure that Googling will yield some results but here's a page I
    bookmarked a while back:

    http://europa.eu.int/comm/dgs/energy_transport/galileo/intro/gps_en.htm

    The problem is that any comparisons will be conjecture, since Galileo
    isn't yet (anywhere near) operational.
     
    ouch, Oct 27, 2003
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  3. Ingolf Steinbach

    Gary S. Guest

    On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:12:18 +0000, ouch <> wrote:

    >>Hi,
    >>
    >>where can I find good (i.e. technical, no glossy brochure)
    >>comparisons of GPS versus Galileo on the web?
    >>
    >>Kind regards
    >> Ingolf

    >
    >I'm sure that Googling will yield some results but here's a page I
    >bookmarked a while back:
    >
    >http://europa.eu.int/comm/dgs/energy_transport/galileo/intro/gps_en.htm
    >
    >The problem is that any comparisons will be conjecture, since Galileo
    >isn't yet (anywhere near) operational.


    Forget operational, the specs and plans are still being devised.

    There are four GPS systems under discussion:

    Right now the US system, NAVSTAR, has been fully operational for
    almost 10 years, and this is what most people refer to as GPS. Note
    that there have been, and will continue to be, upgrades to this
    system.

    The Russian GLONASS system is operational, but does not have a full
    constellation of satellites.

    The EU system, Galileo, is going through the approval/design process.

    The Chinese have plans for a different system perhaps a bit further
    along in the design.

    Hard to compare NAVSTAR "now" with Galileo "five years from now".

    Happy trails,
    Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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    Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
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    Gary S., Oct 27, 2003
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  4. Ingolf Steinbach wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > where can I find good (i.e. technical, no glossy brochure)
    > comparisons of GPS versus Galileo on the web?
    >
    > Kind regards
    > Ingolf


    A comparison does not exist. There is a marketing comparison that
    compares GPS circa 2000 with a supposed Galileo circa 2008 but it isn't
    close to reality so far as I can tell.

    Dale
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    Dale DePriest, Oct 27, 2003
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  5. Ingolf Steinbach

    Kater Guest

    Dale DePriest <> schreef op 27 okt 2003 in
    news::

    > A comparison does not exist. There is a marketing comparison that
    > compares GPS circa 2000 with a supposed Galileo circa 2008 but it isn't
    > close to reality so far as I can tell.


    Do you have any idea whether it will be possible to use Galileo with the
    current consumer GPS-receivers (after a firmware update maybe) ?
    As in Waas and Egnos. Or will it need other
    hardware/frequencies/whatever... ?

    Thanks for any enlightment on this subject. ;-)

    --
    Tom Cat
     
    Kater, Nov 6, 2003
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  6. Ingolf Steinbach

    Kater Guest

    Kater <> schreef op 06 nov 2003 in
    news:Xns942B68A56E2CAKater@195.130.132.68:

    > Do you have any idea whether it will be possible to use Galileo with

    the
    > current consumer GPS-receivers (after a firmware update maybe) ?
    > As in Waas and Egnos. Or will it need other
    > hardware/frequencies/whatever... ?


    I guess this partly answers my question :
    (copied from ouch's link :
    http://europa.eu.int/comm/dgs/energy_transport/galileo/intro/gps_en.htm )

    *************************************************************
    Nonetheless, GALILEO also complements GPS insofar as:

    Using both infrastructures in a coordinated fashion (double sourcing)
    offers real advantages in terms of precision and in terms of security,
    should one of the two systems become unavailable;

    The existence of two independent systems is of benefit to all users since
    they will be able to use the same receiver to receive both GPS and
    GALILEO signals.
    *************************************************************

    But I still wonder if that will be possible with the present generation
    of consumer GPS-receivers.

    And what to think of this :
    "GALILEO is more reliable as it includes a signal "integrity message"
    informing the user immediately of any errors."
    I suppose this will require a different setting/firmware/hardware(?) of
    the receiver ?

    I want to buy a Garmin iQue, so I am especially interested to know if the
    iQue will be able to use Galileo signals.

    --
    Tom Cat
     
    Kater, Nov 6, 2003
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  7. Kater,

    Don't wait for Galileo to be happy, live now and enjoy the beauties of
    GPS.

    regards
    --
    Andreas van Hooijdonk
    http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com
    Sharing GPS Knowledge


    "Kater" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns942B6FDAA129CKater@195.130.132.68...
    > Kater <> schreef op 06 nov 2003 in
    > news:Xns942B68A56E2CAKater@195.130.132.68:
    >
    > > Do you have any idea whether it will be possible to use Galileo with

    > the
    > > current consumer GPS-receivers (after a firmware update maybe) ?
    > > As in Waas and Egnos. Or will it need other
    > > hardware/frequencies/whatever... ?

    >
    > I guess this partly answers my question :
    > (copied from ouch's link :
    >

    http://europa.eu.int/comm/dgs/energy_transport/galileo/intro/gps_en.htm )
    >
    > *************************************************************
    > Nonetheless, GALILEO also complements GPS insofar as:
    >
    > Using both infrastructures in a coordinated fashion (double sourcing)
    > offers real advantages in terms of precision and in terms of security,
    > should one of the two systems become unavailable;
    >
    > The existence of two independent systems is of benefit to all users

    since
    > they will be able to use the same receiver to receive both GPS and
    > GALILEO signals.
    > *************************************************************
    >
    > But I still wonder if that will be possible with the present

    generation
    > of consumer GPS-receivers.
    >
    > And what to think of this :
    > "GALILEO is more reliable as it includes a signal "integrity message"
    > informing the user immediately of any errors."
    > I suppose this will require a different setting/firmware/hardware(?)

    of
    > the receiver ?
    >
    > I want to buy a Garmin iQue, so I am especially interested to know if

    the
    > iQue will be able to use Galileo signals.
    >
    > --
    > Tom Cat
     
    Andreas van Hooijdonk, Nov 6, 2003
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  8. Ingolf Steinbach

    Peter Guest

    Kater wrote:

    > Dale DePriest <> schreef op 27 okt 2003 in
    > news::
    >
    >
    >>A comparison does not exist. There is a marketing comparison that
    >>compares GPS circa 2000 with a supposed Galileo circa 2008 but it isn't
    >>close to reality so far as I can tell.

    >
    >
    > Do you have any idea whether it will be possible to use Galileo with the
    > current consumer GPS-receivers (after a firmware update maybe) ?
    > As in Waas and Egnos. Or will it need other
    > hardware/frequencies/whatever... ?


    Current receivers will not be able to receive Galileo signals since they
    will be quite different from the Navstar GPS specifications. I expect when
    (if?) Galileo is closer to deployment and the specifications have been
    finalized that manufacturers will start marketing 'Galileo-ready' receivers
    that will be able to use signals from both systems.
     
    Peter, Nov 6, 2003
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