Can I bring my FRS / GMRS Radio to Europe - Austria, Germany, Switzerland?

Discussion in 'Global Navigation Satellite Systems' started by Cathy Hui, May 9, 2005.

  1. Cathy  Hui

    Cathy Hui Guest

    I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
    to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
    FRS legally being used in those countries? If so, if I purchase a GMRS
    license, am I going to be benefitted from the longer range reception
    from the GMRS in Europe?

    Thanks!
     
    Cathy Hui, May 9, 2005
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  2. Cathy  Hui

    Juri Munkki Guest

    In article <> "Cathy Hui" <> writes:
    >I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
    >to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
    >FRS legally being used in those countries? If so, if I purchase a GMRS
    >license, am I going to be benefitted from the longer range reception
    >from the GMRS in Europe?


    The frequencies are illegal and you could be heavily fined for using
    the phones in Europe. The European equivalent of FRS is PMR466.

    And unless the radios you bought were Garmin Rinos, you got the wrong
    newsgroup too... Speaking of which, I saw a Garmin Rino in a shop window
    here in Helsinki. Obviously illegal, but the shopkeeper was totally
    unaware of the fact.

    --
    Juri Munkki - http://www.iki.fi/jmunkki - Windsurfing: Faster than the wind.
     
    Juri Munkki, May 9, 2005
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  3. Cathy  Hui

    Ivor Jones Guest

    "Cathy Hui" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
    > to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
    > FRS legally being used in those countries? If so, if I purchase a GMRS
    > license, am I going to be benefitted from the longer range reception
    > from the GMRS in Europe?
    >
    > Thanks!


    No. The licence-free short range UHF radio band in the EU is on 446 MHz.
    Your FRS radios will *not* be legal to use.

    You can buy a pair of 446 MHz radios in the UK very cheaply from many high
    street stores and they are legal to use throughout the European Union. The
    range is not all that good (1/2 mile at most) but they are perfectly good
    for keeping in touch with family members while on a trip.

    Your only option for longer range is to become a licensed Radio Amateur
    which requires study and sitting an examination. You can then use any of
    the many amateur bands, but don't even *think* of using these without the
    appropriate licence, piracy on the amateur bands is taken *very*
    seriously.

    Ivor
     
    Ivor Jones, May 9, 2005
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  4. Cathy  Hui

    Ivor Jones Guest

    "Juri Munkki" <> wrote in message
    news:d5okjk$5lt$...
    > In article <>
    > "Cathy Hui" <> writes:
    >>I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
    >>to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
    >>FRS legally being used in those countries? If so, if I purchase a GMRS
    >>license, am I going to be benefitted from the longer range reception
    >>from the GMRS in Europe?

    >
    > The frequencies are illegal and you could be heavily fined for using
    > the phones in Europe. The European equivalent of FRS is PMR466.
    >
    > And unless the radios you bought were Garmin Rinos, you got the wrong
    > newsgroup too... Speaking of which, I saw a Garmin Rino in a shop window
    > here in Helsinki. Obviously illegal, but the shopkeeper was totally
    > unaware of the fact.


    Oh he was probably aware of it, but just didn't care. Most if not all
    shops will sell anything to anyone, it's income after all. I've seen
    dozens of shops in the tourist areas of major cities in both the UK and US
    selling amateur radio equipment over the counter to anyone who asks for
    it, despite a licence being required.

    Ivor
     
    Ivor Jones, May 9, 2005
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  5. Cathy Hui wrote:
    > I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
    > to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
    > FRS legally being used in those countries?


    No, it would be illegal and you would likely disturb some other service
    when using US FRS sets in Europe. In Europe you can use either 433MHz
    LPD devices or PMR446 (446 MHz) devices. The FRS uses 466 MHz.

    http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsed092999.html
    http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsfaqa.html

    --
    Joop van der Velden
     
    Joop van der Velden, May 9, 2005
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  6. Cathy  Hui

    Gary S. Guest

    On Mon, 9 May 2005 22:33:06 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
    <> wrote:

    >Oh he was probably aware of it, but just didn't care. Most if not all
    >shops will sell anything to anyone, it's income after all. I've seen
    >dozens of shops in the tourist areas of major cities in both the UK and US
    >selling amateur radio equipment over the counter to anyone who asks for
    >it, despite a licence being required.
    >

    Not just the retailers.

    I have seen GMRS radios being sold in the US with no mention on the
    outside of the package of a license being required, Otherwise, they
    use font sizes way smaller than I thought you could print.

    Some justify it on the idea that it is legal to own, the only illegal
    thing is transmitting, which is the choice of the consumer.

    A bit weak, in my view.

    Happy trails,
    Gary (net.yogi.bear)
    --
    At the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

    Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
    Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
     
    Gary S., May 9, 2005
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  7. Re: Can I bring my FRS / GMRS Radio to Europe - Austria, Germany,Switzerland?

    Gary S. wrote:

    > Not just the retailers.
    >
    > I have seen GMRS radios being sold in the US with no mention on the
    > outside of the package of a license being required, Otherwise, they
    > use font sizes way smaller than I thought you could print.
    >
    > Some justify it on the idea that it is legal to own, the only illegal
    > thing is transmitting, which is the choice of the consumer.
    >
    > A bit weak, in my view.


    Seen legal loopholes being used to do it too. A retailer on eBay is selling
    units similar to the Rinos from US to Australia, but 'as new'. They are new,
    in boxes, but just removed and re-packed.

    Since they're now technically "second hand", they don't have to comply with
    our C-Tick regulations (akin to the FCC/CE etc). Thus can be legally sold into
    australia.

    Can't be legally USED here in oz of course, but that doesn't matter. A sale
    is a sale.
    --
    Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org>
     
    John Tserkezis, May 9, 2005
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  8. Cathy  Hui

    Ivor Jones Guest

    "Joop van der Velden" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Cathy Hui wrote:
    >> I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
    >> to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
    >> FRS legally being used in those countries?

    >
    > No, it would be illegal and you would likely disturb some other service
    > when using US FRS sets in Europe. In Europe you can use either 433MHz
    > LPD devices or PMR446 (446 MHz) devices. The FRS uses 466 MHz.


    433 MHz falls within the 70cm Amateur Radio band. There are licence-exempt
    devices such as car alarm keyfobs there but it's a silly place to put them
    IMHO. You cannot use voice communications there without an Amateur Radio
    licence.

    466 MHz (in the UK at least) falls within the section of spectrum used for
    police and business communications, transmit there at your peril ;-)

    Ivor
     
    Ivor Jones, May 9, 2005
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  9. Ivor Jones wrote:

    > 433 MHz falls within the 70cm Amateur Radio band. There are licence-exempt
    > devices such as car alarm keyfobs there but it's a silly place to put them
    > IMHO. You cannot use voice communications there without an Amateur Radio
    > licence.


    Yes you can. (but not in the UK)

    Unlicensed 433MHz LPD (Low Power Devices, max. 10mW) walky-talky devices
    are perfectly legal on mainland Europe.

    --
    Joop van der Velden
     
    Joop van der Velden, May 10, 2005
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