California law and mounting a GPS on the inside of my windshield

Discussion in 'General GPS' started by techman41973, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. techman41973

    techman41973 Guest

    California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
    but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.

    (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
    http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html
    http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations.html

    How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
    windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
    Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks
     
    techman41973, Apr 13, 2012
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  2. On Apr 12, 5:09 pm, techman41973 <> wrote:
    > California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
    > but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.
    >
    > (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    > in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    > removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    > of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    > deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    > navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
    >  http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
    >  http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html
    >  http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations....
    >
    > How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
    > windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
    >  Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks


    Doesn't seem overly complicated to me. It's just saying it has to be
    down in the corner, instead of in the middle of everything like some
    idjits do it. Of course, I don't have one, mine are all built in or
    in my phone.

    Even with all the regulations, I still wind up at stoplights where I
    can't see the light from a normal seating position. I can think of
    one left turn lane where there is a sign for the other direction
    traffic that blocks the view of the signal. (Where the black SUV is,
    if I got the link right:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vista...oid=w1V8si5uUKOeNa3JphEpsg&cbp=12,235.18,,0,0
    )

    jg
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    jgar the jorrible, Apr 13, 2012
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  3. > "techman41973" <> wrote
    >
    > (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    > in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    > removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    > of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    > deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    > navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.


    What does that last clause mean? That you can only mount the device there
    while you're obeying turn-by-turn directions from the device, but can't
    mount it there if you simply want to be able to look at a map and find your
    own way?

    --

    Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
    Paul mailto:p
     
    Paul D. DeRocco, Apr 13, 2012
    #3
  4. Hi,

    The wording says to me that only large delivery trucks will meet the
    requirements. FedX, UPS, USPS ...

    I have my GPS mounted below the windshield and it works well there. UMMV
    (Delorme PN-60)

    http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10095

    shows the gripper mount, I found a different base that the gripper mates
    with and my Van Conversion shop mounted it to a air duct.

    SHF

    "Paul D. DeRocco" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> "techman41973" <> wrote
    >>
    >> (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    >> in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    >> removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    >> of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    >> deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    >> navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.

    >
    > What does that last clause mean? That you can only mount the device there
    > while you're obeying turn-by-turn directions from the device, but can't
    > mount it there if you simply want to be able to look at a map and find
    > your own way?
    >
    > --
    >
    > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
    > Paul mailto:p
    >
     
    Stephen H. Fischer, Apr 13, 2012
    #4
  5. On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:09:57 -0700 (PDT), techman41973 wrote:

    >California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
    >but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.
    >
    >(12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    >in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    >removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    >of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    >deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    >navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
    > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
    > http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html
    > http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations.html
    >
    >How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
    >windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
    > Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks


    After early experiments with suction cup windshield mounts I now
    always mount the device, typically a smartphone, in a holder
    that hooks on to an air vent. This has a whole range of
    advantages, so much so that attaching one to the windshield
    seems like a truly bad idea.

    Would that not be allowed in California?

    Hans-Georg
     
    Hans-Georg Michna, Apr 14, 2012
    #5
  6. On 4/12/12 5:09 PM, techman41973 wrote:
    >
    > California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
    > but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.


    It's not complicated at all. You're allowed to mount your GPS on the lower
    corner of your windshield (either side).

    Of course if you're a solo driver, it doesn't really make sense to mount it
    on the lower corner of the passenger side.


    - Peter
     
    Peter Lawrence, Apr 15, 2012
    #6
  7. techman41973

    Holger Issle Guest

    On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:56:39 -0700, Peter Lawrence wrote:

    >Of course if you're a solo driver, it doesn't really make sense to mount it
    >on the lower corner of the passenger side.


    And the text says that a device is allowed in the lower left corner of
    the windshield, given it is completely within a 5 inch range of that
    corner? With other words, many combinations of flat-angled windshields
    and devices are not legal, because even these are less than 5 inch
    wide they will not fit in that range as the windshield is monuted flat
    and the real corner can't be used.

    On the other side: I was in California often enough and never had any
    trouble with that.
    --

    Ciao,
    Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51)

    90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm
    95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 81 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!)

    cu @ http://www.issle.de
     
    Holger Issle, Apr 15, 2012
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  8. techman41973

    Phantom

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    Who would seriously be stupid enough to mount a GPS in the middle of the windshield.
     
    Phantom, Apr 16, 2012
    #8
  9. > "Holger Issle" <> wrote
    >
    > And the text says that a device is allowed in the lower left corner of
    > the windshield, given it is completely within a 5 inch range of that
    > corner? With other words, many combinations of flat-angled windshields
    > and devices are not legal, because even these are less than 5 inch
    > wide they will not fit in that range as the windshield is monuted flat
    > and the real corner can't be used.


    Simple, just mount it on the outside.

    --

    Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
    Paul mailto:p
     
    Paul D. DeRocco, Apr 17, 2012
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  10. techman41973

    Phantom

    Joined:
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    haha good one!
     
    Phantom, Apr 17, 2012
    #10
  11. On 4/12/2012, jgar the jorrible posted:
    > On Apr 12, 5:09 pm, techman41973 <> wrote:
    >> California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
    >> but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.
    >>
    >> (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    >> in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    >> removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    >> of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    >> deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    >> navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
    >>  http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
    >>  http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html
    >>  http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations...
    >>
    >> How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
    >> windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
    >>  Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks


    > Doesn't seem overly complicated to me. It's just saying it has to be
    > down in the corner, instead of in the middle of everything like some
    > idjits do it. Of course, I don't have one, mine are all built in or
    > in my phone.


    > Even with all the regulations, I still wind up at stoplights where I
    > can't see the light from a normal seating position. I can think of
    > one left turn lane where there is a sign for the other direction
    > traffic that blocks the view of the signal. (Where the black SUV is,
    > if I got the link right:


    [clipped long link because my newsreader semms to have mangled it :)]

    > jg


    Suggestion: for long links, use http://tinyurl.com or http://bit.ly

    The result is a couple of dozen characters long with no more worries.
    The sites are easy to use.

    Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:
    http://tinyurl.com/7s3b2cr

    343 characters reduced to 26 and no clipping...

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Apr 19, 2012
    #11
  12. On 4/12/2012, Paul D. DeRocco posted:
    >> "techman41973" <> wrote
    >>
    >> (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    >> in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    >> removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    >> of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    >> deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    >> navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.


    > What does that last clause mean? That you can only mount the device there
    > while you're obeying turn-by-turn directions from the device, but can't mount
    > it there if you simply want to be able to look at a map and find your own
    > way?


    I read it as "while the motor vehicle is being operated" don't use it
    for anything other than "door-to-door navigation".

    And while the motor vehicle is not being operated, no restrictions.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Apr 19, 2012
    #12
  13. On 4/14/2012, Hans-Georg Michna posted:
    > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:09:57 -0700 (PDT), techman41973 wrote:


    >> California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
    >> but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.
    >>
    >> (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
    >> in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
    >> removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
    >> of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
    >> deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
    >> navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
    >> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
    >> http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html
    >> http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations.html
    >>
    >> How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
    >> windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
    >> Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks


    > After early experiments with suction cup windshield mounts I now
    > always mount the device, typically a smartphone, in a holder
    > that hooks on to an air vent. This has a whole range of
    > advantages, so much so that attaching one to the windshield
    > seems like a truly bad idea.


    > Would that not be allowed in California?


    > Hans-Georg


    The only restrictions are on windshield mounting. Non-windshield mounts
    are not restricted.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Apr 19, 2012
    #13
  14. On 4/16/2012, Paul D. DeRocco posted:
    >> "Holger Issle" <> wrote
    >>
    >> And the text says that a device is allowed in the lower left corner of
    >> the windshield, given it is completely within a 5 inch range of that
    >> corner? With other words, many combinations of flat-angled windshields
    >> and devices are not legal, because even these are less than 5 inch
    >> wide they will not fit in that range as the windshield is monuted flat
    >> and the real corner can't be used.


    > Simple, just mount it on the outside.


    Best idea yet :)

    I use a rubberized pad with a GPS mount on it. I set it on top of the
    dashboard to the right of the steering wheel, where it's easy to see
    and doesn't block anything. It's legal, but it does vibrate a little.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Apr 19, 2012
    #14
  15. On Apr 19, 11:15 am, Gene E. Bloch <>
    wrote:
    > On 4/12/2012, jgar the jorrible posted:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > jg

    >
    > Suggestion: for long links, usehttp://tinyurl.comorhttp://bit.ly
    >
    > The result is a couple of dozen characters long with no more worries.
    > The sites are easy to use.
    >
    > Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:http://tinyurl.com/7s3b2cr
    >
    > 343 characters reduced to 26 and no clipping...
    >
    > --
    > Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


    Some places block shorteners. Some funny people put in goatse.

    jg
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    @home.com is bogus.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-448362/Hitlers-Mercedes-sale-decades-vanished.html
     
    jgar the jorrible, Apr 20, 2012
    #15
  16. > Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:

    No one in his right mind trusts URL shorteners, no matter who sent them.
     
    John David Galt, Apr 21, 2012
    #16
  17. On 4/20/2012, John David Galt posted:
    >> Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:


    > No one in his right mind trusts URL shorteners, no matter who sent them.


    You needn't trust - it's trivially easy to verify.

    Of course, what you get is an expanded URL, just like the one you would
    have seen in the absence of a tiny URL. But you still have to figure
    out whether to trust the long version.

    Basically, your remark was silly...

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Apr 21, 2012
    #17
  18. On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:18:10 -0700, Paul D. DeRocco wrote:

    > "John David Galt" <> wrote


    >> No one in his right mind trusts URL shorteners, no matter who sent them.


    >With tinyurl, all you have to do is edit the URL and prepend "preview.",
    >e.g.,
    >
    > http://preview.tinyurl.com/7s3b2cr


    That's nice, but then everybody would have to know every such
    preview trick for every URL shortener system in existence.

    I agree that they should not be used at all.

    Hans-Georg
     
    Hans-Georg Michna, Apr 21, 2012
    #18
  19. techman41973

    Joe Makowiec Guest

    Joe Makowiec, Apr 21, 2012
    #19
  20. On 4/21/2012, Joe Makowiec posted:
    > On 21 Apr 2012 in alt.satellite.gps, Hans-Georg Michna wrote:


    >> That's nice, but then everybody would have to know every such
    >> preview trick for every URL shortener system in existence.


    > At least with tinyurl, you can go to the site (http://tinyurl.com/) and
    > tell it that you always want to use preview.


    Don't forget what I said upthread: even a full URL can lead to bad
    things :)

    Sometimes I post both the tinyURL and the full URL, sometimes I use the
    preview form, and sometimes I choose not to worry about the people who
    can't or won't trust me.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Apr 21, 2012
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