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Leigher
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      02-13-2009, 10:51 AM
Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.

I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
use OS Landranger or Explorer maps. However I have been recommended to
buy an inexpensive unit plus the relevant card for a trip we're planning
to make to New Zealand later this year. As a friend recently returned
from there wrote:

".... if you have a GPS I'd take it and get the NZ card. We forgot ours
but bought a cheap one out there. It was an absolute boon and made life
very much easier. We didn't get lost and didn't have our heads buried in
maps half the time."

I'd prefer to get one before going so I can get the hang of how to work
it.

I have Googled but the subject seems a minefield for illiterates like me
so any help, buying recommendations and general advice would be very
much appreciated.

Many thanks,

Tom
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keith
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      02-13-2009, 11:10 AM
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:51:49 +0000, Leigher wrote:

> Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.
>
> I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
> use OS Landranger or Explorer maps. However I have been recommended to
> buy an inexpensive unit plus the relevant card for a trip we're planning
> to make to New Zealand later this year. As a friend recently returned
> from there wrote:
>
> ".... if you have a GPS I'd take it and get the NZ card. We forgot ours
> but bought a cheap one out there. It was an absolute boon and made life
> very much easier. We didn't get lost and didn't have our heads buried in
> maps half the time."
>
> I'd prefer to get one before going so I can get the hang of how to work
> it.
>
> I have Googled but the subject seems a minefield for illiterates like me
> so any help, buying recommendations and general advice would be very
> much appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Tom


Most of the simple ones seems to have very similar facilities. In UK the
main difference seems to be the map sources, but maybe somebody has
experience of equivalents in NZ. Reviews in Which seem quite good, or
there are equivalents on computer mag websites.

I've used a Garmin Nuvi 300 series (now obsolete) for three years, and
have been very satisfied with it, especially compared with a Tom Tom 1 I
borrowed from a friend. The call to 'turn left (or right)' at 0.2 miles
before the actual turn seems to annoy some people, but the count down in
feet displayed on the screen makes it possible to get the correct turn if
there are several possible in a location. These are discontinued, but
can be got very cheaply from some sites.

Good idea to get one to play with before having to use it in anger - they
all have peculiar idiosyncrasies which you have to learn to get the best
out of them. I always make sure I have paper maps in the car. These can
be essential if, say, a road blockage makes a diversion necessary. The
GPS will want to route you back on to the 'best' route (ie the main
road), as fast as possible, but you may want to back road to well past
the scene of the blockage. The display of the GPS (and its map ref
display) makes it easier to be certain where you are on the map at all
times.

Keith
 
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Jolly Polly
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      02-13-2009, 12:30 PM
Leigher wrote:
> Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.
>
> I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
> use OS Landranger or Explorer maps.


You don't say what you want the satnav for, i.e. driving on/off road,
walking, all the above, etc.
 
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Leigher
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      02-14-2009, 03:32 PM
In message <UBell.34289$(E-Mail Removed)2>, Jolly Polly
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>Leigher wrote:
>> Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.
>>
>> I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
>> use OS Landranger or Explorer maps.

>
>You don't say what you want the satnav for, i.e. driving on/off road,
>walking, all the above, etc.


Sorry, it would be mainly for driving on road but there will be some
good walking too (I hope) however am not unhappy at using maps for the
latter. Just don't want to waste time getting lost and missing sights
due to one or other being buried in a map book. Also to preserve marital
harmony, if possible:-))

Tom
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Nick
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      02-14-2009, 05:01 PM
On 14 Feb, 16:32, Leigher <Leig...@everywhere.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorry, it would be mainly for driving on road but there will be some
> good walking too (I hope) however am not unhappy at using maps for the
> latter. Just don't want to waste time getting lost and missing sights
> due to one or other being buried in a map book [...]


I don't think you'll have much trouble navigating in NZ, outside of
the cities there is really only one main road <grin>. But my little
hand-held Geko was invaluable on walks.

Regards, N.
 
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Leigher
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      02-14-2009, 10:15 PM
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<03cc13e2-885d-4091-b389-(E-Mail Removed)>, Nick
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>On 14 Feb, 16:32, Leigher <Leig...@everywhere.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, it would be mainly for driving on road but there will be some
>> good walking too (I hope) however am not unhappy at using maps for the
>> latter. Just don't want to waste time getting lost and missing sights
>> due to one or other being buried in a map book [...]

>
>I don't think you'll have much trouble navigating in NZ, outside of
>the cities there is really only one main road <grin>. But my little
>hand-held Geko was invaluable on walks.
>
>Regards, N.


Thanks Nick.

Tom

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Leigher
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      02-14-2009, 10:17 PM
In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, keith
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:51:49 +0000, Leigher wrote:
>
>> Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.
>>
>> I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
>> use OS Landranger or Explorer maps. However I have been recommended to
>> buy an inexpensive unit plus the relevant card for a trip we're planning
>> to make to New Zealand later this year. As a friend recently returned
>> from there wrote:
>>
>> ".... if you have a GPS I'd take it and get the NZ card. We forgot ours
>> but bought a cheap one out there. It was an absolute boon and made life
>> very much easier. We didn't get lost and didn't have our heads buried in
>> maps half the time."
>>
>> I'd prefer to get one before going so I can get the hang of how to work
>> it.
>>
>> I have Googled but the subject seems a minefield for illiterates like me
>> so any help, buying recommendations and general advice would be very
>> much appreciated.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Tom

>
>Most of the simple ones seems to have very similar facilities. In UK the
>main difference seems to be the map sources, but maybe somebody has
>experience of equivalents in NZ. Reviews in Which seem quite good, or
>there are equivalents on computer mag websites.
>
>I've used a Garmin Nuvi 300 series (now obsolete) for three years, and
>have been very satisfied with it, especially compared with a Tom Tom 1 I
>borrowed from a friend. The call to 'turn left (or right)' at 0.2 miles
>before the actual turn seems to annoy some people, but the count down in
>feet displayed on the screen makes it possible to get the correct turn if
>there are several possible in a location. These are discontinued, but
>can be got very cheaply from some sites.
>
>Good idea to get one to play with before having to use it in anger - they
>all have peculiar idiosyncrasies which you have to learn to get the best
>out of them. I always make sure I have paper maps in the car. These can
>be essential if, say, a road blockage makes a diversion necessary. The
>GPS will want to route you back on to the 'best' route (ie the main
>road), as fast as possible, but you may want to back road to well past
>the scene of the blockage. The display of the GPS (and its map ref
>display) makes it easier to be certain where you are on the map at all
>times.
>
>Keith


That's very helpful Keith. Very much appreciated,

Tom

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Mike Lane
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      02-15-2009, 09:47 AM
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:51:49 +0000, Leigher wrote
(in article <R2TZUYDV7VlJFwH$@Milckhouse.co.uk>):

> Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.
>
> I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
> use OS Landranger or Explorer maps. However I have been recommended to
> buy an inexpensive unit plus the relevant card for a trip we're planning
> to make to New Zealand later this year. As a friend recently returned
> from there wrote:
>
> ".... if you have a GPS I'd take it and get the NZ card. We forgot ours
> but bought a cheap one out there. It was an absolute boon and made life
> very much easier. We didn't get lost and didn't have our heads buried in
> maps half the time."
>
> I'd prefer to get one before going so I can get the hang of how to work
> it.
>
> I have Googled but the subject seems a minefield for illiterates like me
> so any help, buying recommendations and general advice would be very
> much appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Tom
>




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Mike Lane
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      02-15-2009, 09:49 AM
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:32:44 +0000, Leigher wrote
(in article <8cNy+(E-Mail Removed)>):

> In message <UBell.34289$(E-Mail Removed)2>, Jolly Polly
> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>> Leigher wrote:
>>> Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.
>>>
>>> I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
>>> use OS Landranger or Explorer maps.

>>
>> You don't say what you want the satnav for, i.e. driving on/off road,
>> walking, all the above, etc.

>
> Sorry, it would be mainly for driving on road but there will be some
> good walking too (I hope) however am not unhappy at using maps for the
> latter. Just don't want to waste time getting lost and missing sights
> due to one or other being buried in a map book. Also to preserve marital
> harmony, if possible:-))
>

The requirements for a gps unit used to navigate in a car are very different
from what is needed when walking, and in my view it's a mistake to try to
choose one unit for both purposes.

Considering automobile units, it's worth remembering that there is really
only one thing that a gps receiver can be guaranteed to do accurately, and
that is to measure and indicate its current position. Everything else is an
'add-on' put in by the gps manufacturers to make the unit suitable for
different purposes, and that's where the difficulties start. I've personally
only ever used Garmin, but whatever unit you choose for in-car use there are
three main additional requirements:

1 - accurate digital street maps. These need to contain much more than the
physical layout of the streets - they also need to know about one-way
systems, dual carriageways, restricted turns, etc., etc. There are two main
companies that supply the various gps manufactures: Navteq and Tele Atlas.
Garmin use Navteq, and Tomtom use Tele Atlas. None of the maps can be
expected to be 100% accurate everywhere, but I would way that in western
Europe they are extremely good, and excellent in the UK (I suspect that they
use Ordnance Survey data for the UK mapping). The further east and south you
go in Europe, the less reliable the maps seem to be. The Garmin website has a
map viewer where you can look at the maps for whatever area you are
interested in. They don't seem to list any current ones for New Zealand
though so you might need to enquire directly from the manufacturers about
that.

2 - The unit needs software to calculate a reasonably efficient route between
two points on the digital map. Here it depends very much on what you want.
Most people just want to get from A to B - i.e. from their current position
to an address, street, airport, or whatever. Most units - all the Garmin
'Nuvi' range, for example, will do a reasonable job here. They will often not
calculate exactly the same route you would choose yourself (but if you know
enough to see that you don't really need the gps anyway). Most units will
allow you to alter the route to some extent; all Nuvis for example will let
you choose 'fastest' or 'shortest' routes. If you want more than that though
you have to go up in the range (and pay more of course). As an example
suppose you want to go from Southampton to Manchester, but you don't want to
go on motorways, and you also want to avoid Birmingham, but you do want to
pass through Stratford on Avon. With a bit of fiddling you can do all this
(and more) with the Nuvi 5xx, 7xx and 8xx series of units and also save your
route on the unit for future use. You do it first by setting up 'avoidances',
which can be individual roads or entire areas that you *don't* want to pass
through. You can then add 'Via points' which are points that you *do* want
your route to pass through. By doing enough of this you can get the exact
route you want and then as I said, save it for future use. Most people
though, don't bother with this - they just want to get to some specified
place and don't care much what route they go by.

3 - The unit needs to give real time guidance as you drive. This is done by
voice directions and the screen display. People often complain about the
directions but I've found the Garmin units quite adequate here. You have to
get used to your particular unit and use common sense as well. I know for
example that mine will often direct me to turn left or right when in fact
it's just a matter of following the road as it bends one way or the other.

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      02-15-2009, 11:11 AM
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Lane <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:32:44 +0000, Leigher wrote
>(in article <8cNy+(E-Mail Removed)>):
>
>> In message <UBell.34289$(E-Mail Removed)2>, Jolly Polly
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>>> Leigher wrote:
>>>> Hi ... would welcome some help/recommendations from the group.
>>>>
>>>> I do not own nor have ever used Sat Nav/GPS or anything similar. Usually
>>>> use OS Landranger or Explorer maps.
>>>
>>> You don't say what you want the satnav for, i.e. driving on/off road,
>>> walking, all the above, etc.

>>
>> Sorry, it would be mainly for driving on road but there will be some
>> good walking too (I hope) however am not unhappy at using maps for the
>> latter. Just don't want to waste time getting lost and missing sights
>> due to one or other being buried in a map book. Also to preserve marital
>> harmony, if possible:-))
>>

>The requirements for a gps unit used to navigate in a car are very different
>from what is needed when walking, and in my view it's a mistake to try to
>choose one unit for both purposes.
>
>Considering automobile units, it's worth remembering that there is really
>only one thing that a gps receiver can be guaranteed to do accurately, and
>that is to measure and indicate its current position. Everything else is an
>'add-on' put in by the gps manufacturers to make the unit suitable for
>different purposes, and that's where the difficulties start. I've personally
>only ever used Garmin, but whatever unit you choose for in-car use there are
>three main additional requirements:
>
>1 - accurate digital street maps. These need to contain much more than the
>physical layout of the streets - they also need to know about one-way
>systems, dual carriageways, restricted turns, etc., etc. There are two main
>companies that supply the various gps manufactures: Navteq and Tele Atlas.
>Garmin use Navteq, and Tomtom use Tele Atlas. None of the maps can be
>expected to be 100% accurate everywhere, but I would way that in western
>Europe they are extremely good, and excellent in the UK (I suspect that they
>use Ordnance Survey data for the UK mapping). The further east and south you
>go in Europe, the less reliable the maps seem to be. The Garmin website has a
>map viewer where you can look at the maps for whatever area you are
>interested in. They don't seem to list any current ones for New Zealand
>though so you might need to enquire directly from the manufacturers about
>that.
>
>2 - The unit needs software to calculate a reasonably efficient route between
>two points on the digital map. Here it depends very much on what you want.
>Most people just want to get from A to B - i.e. from their current position
>to an address, street, airport, or whatever. Most units - all the Garmin
>'Nuvi' range, for example, will do a reasonable job here. They will often not
>calculate exactly the same route you would choose yourself (but if you know
>enough to see that you don't really need the gps anyway). Most units will
>allow you to alter the route to some extent; all Nuvis for example will let
>you choose 'fastest' or 'shortest' routes. If you want more than that though
>you have to go up in the range (and pay more of course). As an example
>suppose you want to go from Southampton to Manchester, but you don't want to
>go on motorways, and you also want to avoid Birmingham, but you do want to
>pass through Stratford on Avon. With a bit of fiddling you can do all this
>(and more) with the Nuvi 5xx, 7xx and 8xx series of units and also save your
>route on the unit for future use. You do it first by setting up 'avoidances',
>which can be individual roads or entire areas that you *don't* want to pass
>through. You can then add 'Via points' which are points that you *do* want
>your route to pass through. By doing enough of this you can get the exact
>route you want and then as I said, save it for future use. Most people
>though, don't bother with this - they just want to get to some specified
>place and don't care much what route they go by.
>
>3 - The unit needs to give real time guidance as you drive. This is done by
>voice directions and the screen display. People often complain about the
>directions but I've found the Garmin units quite adequate here. You have to
>get used to your particular unit and use common sense as well. I know for
>example that mine will often direct me to turn left or right when in fact
>it's just a matter of following the road as it bends one way or the other.
>


Many thanks Mike - a lot for me to absorb. Your direction and help very
much appreciated.

Tom

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