So I bit the bullet and 'upgraded' from my old Quest (small, rocker-type,
geekish GPS) to a new 2460 (large screen, touch) this past weekend and have
played with it for 3 days. If I come up with others, I'll reappend.

PROS:

The two biggies:
- Mapquest from my installed Quest DID work - it picked up the new maps that
I was able to download using the option to download to PC as was suggested
in this forum), routes and waypoints ARE sent down and stored to the unit
(big sigh of relief on this one) using Mapquest. So I can continue to map
out routes from home.
- ALL of my datapoints (time to dest, dist to next, dist to dest, ETA to
dest) can be seen and/or programmed on the main navigation screen (big sigh
of relief on this one, too).

Rest of the pros:
- Map is actually updated (Quest dropped support for maps about 3 years
ago); of course, having the entire country in the unit is nice. No longer
on trips
will I have to re-download just sections of the country to make them fit in
the limited RAM that the Quest had.
- With the 2D navigation view, there IS a north arrow displayed (despite
what I was led the believe); I never had the 3D view before, I tried it for
a few hours, and still like 2D better...so when I switched to 2D, lo and
behold, the North arrow appears!
- The little turn indicator on upper left of screen not only shows you
'distance to turn', but also what type of turn it will be (Quest only showed
you this when it showed the junction view close to the turn itself; not so
cool if you want to move over on an interstate well ahead of time); this is
very nice.
- I like turn by street name voice. The names actually are pretty good in
terms of relatively to proper pronunciation.
- Unit is much faster in terms of display updates, recalculations, etc. Of
course, 5 years of newer/faster microprocessor technology is to be expected.

CONS:

- Apparently I don't have a 'junction view' like the Quest did, but when one
approaches the turn, the unit automagically enlarges to the detail, so I can
live with this.
- Map detail much less than the Quest. For example, rivers and parks are
not named. The road that one is actually ONE does not appear in the screen.
- One can not sort alphabetically one's favorites. I note I am not the only
one who has voiced this concern. I can't imagine how they dropped the ball
on this one. (I know you can start to spell it, but the amount of keystrokes
is ridiculous and sometimes I don't remember the exact spelling of a
favorite I haven't used for a while.)
- When I ask it to use a route, I get a pop-up asking me to pick which
waypoint on the route I wish to 'go to'....duh! The last one! This is a
PITA.
- 'Recalculating' doesn't make a voice - one doesn't know one is off the
originally route unless one happens to see the unit recalculating if you get
off. I know some folks think this is a plus, but I would like to know I
missed a turn by the voice.

If anyone has any comments, especially if I missed something in the 'CONS',
I'd appreciate hearing about it.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Regards -

- Andrew

"Andrew" wrote

> So I bit the bullet and 'upgraded' from my old Quest (small, rocker-type,
> geekish GPS) to a new 2460 (large screen, touch) this past weekend and
> have played with it for 3 days. If I come up with others, I'll reappend.

Several comments:
- Thanks for letting me know that 2D view provides a North arrow.
- You DO have Junction View. It just doesn't display at every intersection;
rather, it is infrequent. On a drive from NYC to Albany I believe it
displayed just once. Lane Assist, as you described, is really useful.
- Favorites, I believe, are sorted by distance. (One time I wasn't so
sure....) I don't have a problem with it because either way, "ya gotta
scroll."
- Recalculating definitely is announced by voice. I don't know why yours
doesn't -- so far.
- There is a menu item that displays "more" or "less" detail. I don't know
how much detail this unit is capable of displaying.

Howard

On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:28:53 -0400, "Howard Lester"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"Andrew" wrote
>
>> So I bit the bullet and 'upgraded' from my old Quest (small, rocker-type,
>> geekish GPS) to a new 2460 (large screen, touch) this past weekend and
>> have played with it for 3 days. If I come up with others, I'll reappend.
>
>Several comments:
>- Thanks for letting me know that 2D view provides a North arrow.
>- You DO have Junction View. It just doesn't display at every intersection;
>rather, it is infrequent. On a drive from NYC to Albany I believe it
>displayed just once. Lane Assist, as you described, is really useful.
>- Favorites, I believe, are sorted by distance. (One time I wasn't so
>sure....) I don't have a problem with it because either way, "ya gotta
>scroll."
>- Recalculating definitely is announced by voice. I don't know why yours
>doesn't -- so far.

Mine doesn't either. I wondered if there was a 'verbose' setting
somewhere I needed to switch. This is the first GPS I've played
with, but I've heard so many jokes about what the GPS says when you
miss a turn, I missed some to see what mine said. <g>

Jim

On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:14:41 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>- I like turn by street name voice. The names actually are pretty good in
>terms of relatively to proper pronunciation.

Look out for 'Drive' (Dr.) being pronounced as 'Doctor'. My Nuvi has a
small handful of those kinds of oddities, probably because the TTS
function is generic rather than strictly created for a GPS unit.
Still, it's a very cool feature.

>- Map detail much less than the Quest.

Amount of detail should be adjustable, I would think.

>- One can not sort alphabetically one's favorites.

I don't personally have a situation where I would want the favorites
alpha sorted. Sorting by distance instantly seemed intuitive to me, so
it may just be something you'll get used to.

>- When I ask it to use a route, I get a pop-up asking me to pick which
>waypoint on the route I wish to 'go to'....duh! The last one! This is a
>PITA.

I consider this a very welcome and useful feature, although in my case
the answer is most often 'the first one', (never 'the last one'). I
most often need to travel a route from its beginning, but sometimes
I'm just using part of a route, so I like having the capability to
enter a route partway into it rather than having to always navigate
back to the beginning.

>- 'Recalculating' doesn't make a voice

I'll be surprised if you can't turn this on somewhere in the menu.

Thanks for the review.

Sunshine wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:14:41 -0400, "Andrew" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> - I like turn by street name voice. The names actually are pretty
>> good in terms of relatively to proper pronunciation.
>
> Look out for 'Drive' (Dr.) being pronounced as 'Doctor'. My Nuvi has a
> small handful of those kinds of oddities, probably because the TTS
> function is generic rather than strictly created for a GPS unit.
> Still, it's a very cool feature.
>
>> - Map detail much less than the Quest.
>
> Amount of detail should be adjustable, I would think.
>
>> - One can not sort alphabetically one's favorites.
>
> I don't personally have a situation where I would want the favorites
> alpha sorted. Sorting by distance instantly seemed intuitive to me, so
> it may just be something you'll get used to.
>
>> - When I ask it to use a route, I get a pop-up asking me to pick
>> which waypoint on the route I wish to 'go to'....duh! The last one!
>> This is a PITA.
>
> I consider this a very welcome and useful feature, although in my case
> the answer is most often 'the first one', (never 'the last one'). I
> most often need to travel a route from its beginning, but sometimes
> I'm just using part of a route, so I like having the capability to
> enter a route partway into it rather than having to always navigate
> back to the beginning.
>
>> - 'Recalculating' doesn't make a voice
>
> I'll be surprised if you can't turn this on somewhere in the menu.
>
> Thanks for the review.

Points from various posts (not just Sunshine's above)
1. Detail on maps lacking geographical info: I do have it on maximum detail.
I can live without the names of parks and lakes and such, it was just a nice
feature on the Quest.
2. Recalculating via voice: NO! The 2460LMT does NOT announce
'recalculating'; several reviewers have stated that ("Things it does better
than the 1490: No recalculating voice(no need to hack it out on
http://forums.gpsreview.net/viewtopic.php?t=21863; I knew this before I
bought it, and it bears out. One reviewer liked that it doesn't do this.
3. Favorites not having option to sort by name: If I wish to go to a
favorite, I don't want to guess how 'far' it is to scroll through the list
to find it. I use these favorites at different locations, so there's no
rhyme or reason for the order (Excerpt for distance from where I am at that
particular time). And if I miss it when I'm scrolling,. I wouldn't know it
because they're not in any logical order You're right, I'm going to have to
get used to this! But others also have complained about this. For example,
I used to group favorites together with a fake letter or two in front (like
SH-MALL, SH-PLAZA, for 'shopping' related, or 'FR-TOM', 'FR-PETE' for
friends), that way I could easily scroll to the portion of my list that I
knew I had a favorite in. No longer the case.
4. Routes with Mid-Points: I hear you about the mid points of a route...I'll
learn to live with this to. In the particular case I am dealing with, my
'waypoints' are really artificial to force it to go to a final route via a
track that is not what it calculates (i.e.: back streets); I really don't
care how far I am except for the final destination, but I see your point of
view as well.

I do think a lot of this is indeed what you're used to - if I had the 2460
THEN got the Quest, I'd probably bitch about this the 'other direction' of
changes.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Regards -

- Andrew

On Mon, 16 May 2011 21:36:56 -0400, Andrew wrote:
> Points from various posts (not just Sunshine's above)
> 1. Detail on maps lacking geographical info: I do have it on maximum detail.
> I can live without the names of parks and lakes and such, it was just a nice
> feature on the Quest.
> 2. Recalculating via voice: NO! The 2460LMT does NOT announce
> 'recalculating'; several reviewers have stated that ("Things it does better
> than the 1490: No recalculating voice(no need to hack it out on
> http://forums.gpsreview.net/viewtopic.php?t=21863; I knew this before I
> bought it, and it bears out. One reviewer liked that it doesn't do this.

But I love that exasperated note that creeps into the "Recalculating.."
voice, after about the sixth time it says that in five minutes. (;

> 3. Favorites not having option to sort by name: If I wish to go to a
> favorite, I don't want to guess how 'far' it is to scroll through the list
> to find it. I use these favorites at different locations, so there's no
> rhyme or reason for the order (Excerpt for distance from where I am at that
> particular time). And if I miss it when I'm scrolling,. I wouldn't know it
> because they're not in any logical order You're right, I'm going to have to
> get used to this! But others also have complained about this. For example,
> I used to group favorites together with a fake letter or two in front (like
> SH-MALL, SH-PLAZA, for 'shopping' related, or 'FR-TOM', 'FR-PETE' for
> friends), that way I could easily scroll to the portion of my list that I
> knew I had a favorite in. No longer the case.

You get to assign them to your own groupings, though. And IIRC points
can exist in multiple groups.

--
Because of the diverse conditions of humans, it happens that some acts
are virtuous to some people, as appropriate and suitable to them, while
the same acts are immoral for others, as inappropriate to them.
-- Saint Thomas Aquinas

On Mon, 16 May 2011 21:36:56 -0400, Andrew wrote:

> For example,
> I used to group favorites together with a fake letter or two in front
> (like SH-MALL, SH-PLAZA, for 'shopping' related, or 'FR-TOM', 'FR-PETE'
> for friends), that way I could easily scroll to the portion of my list
> that I knew I had a favorite in

If you have so many favourites that you prefer to group them, it may be
time to create your own custom POI files from them. You can always add
to them them in the normal Favourites way and then move them to your
custom POI file once every month or so, zeroing out the Favourites again.

Personally, I just do it by hand in a plain text editor the let POILoader
handled the conversion/upload.

See
https://groups.google.com/group/alt....browse_thread/
thread/4a58031a7489723a/26978abcdd258a63?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=daveg+poiloader
+custom#26978abcdd258a63

http://preview.tinyurl.com/67a7tya


With a bit of luck and some searching, you'll probably find help and info
here too
http://home.comcast.net/~ghayman3/garmin.gps/index.html

I did write a step-by-step in this news group some time ago, but I can't
find it now.

--
You cannot simply assume someone is honest
just because they are not an MP.

On 2011-05-16 18:14:41 -0400, Andrew said:

> So I bit the bullet and 'upgraded' from my old Quest (small,
> rocker-type, geekish GPS) to a new 2460 (large screen, touch) this past
> weekend and have played with it for 3 days. If I come up with others,
> I'll reappend.
>
> PROS:
>
> The two biggies:
> - Mapquest from my installed Quest DID work - it picked up the new maps
> that I was able to download using the option to download to PC as was
> suggested in this forum), routes and waypoints ARE sent down and stored
> to the unit (big sigh of relief on this one) using Mapquest. So I can
> continue to map out routes from home.
> - ALL of my datapoints (time to dest, dist to next, dist to dest, ETA
> to dest) can be seen and/or programmed on the main navigation screen
> (big sigh of relief on this one, too).
>
> Rest of the pros:
> - Map is actually updated (Quest dropped support for maps about 3 years
> ago); of course, having the entire country in the unit is nice. No
> longer on trips
> will I have to re-download just sections of the country to make them
> fit in the limited RAM that the Quest had.
> - With the 2D navigation view, there IS a north arrow displayed
> (despite what I was led the believe); I never had the 3D view before, I
> tried it for a few hours, and still like 2D better...so when I switched
> to 2D, lo and behold, the North arrow appears!
> - The little turn indicator on upper left of screen not only shows you
> 'distance to turn', but also what type of turn it will be (Quest only
> showed you this when it showed the junction view close to the turn
> itself; not so cool if you want to move over on an interstate well
> ahead of time); this is very nice.
> - I like turn by street name voice. The names actually are pretty good
> in terms of relatively to proper pronunciation.
> - Unit is much faster in terms of display updates, recalculations, etc.
> Of course, 5 years of newer/faster microprocessor technology is to be
> expected.
>
> CONS:
>
> - Apparently I don't have a 'junction view' like the Quest did, but
> when one approaches the turn, the unit automagically enlarges to the
> detail, so I can live with this.
> - Map detail much less than the Quest. For example, rivers and parks
> are not named. The road that one is actually ONE does not appear in
> the screen.
> - One can not sort alphabetically one's favorites. I note I am not the
> only one who has voiced this concern. I can't imagine how they dropped
> the ball on this one. (I know you can start to spell it, but the amount
> of keystrokes is ridiculous and sometimes I don't remember the exact
> spelling of a favorite I haven't used for a while.)
> - When I ask it to use a route, I get a pop-up asking me to pick which
> waypoint on the route I wish to 'go to'....duh! The last one! This is
> a PITA.
> - 'Recalculating' doesn't make a voice - one doesn't know one is off
> the originally route unless one happens to see the unit recalculating
> if you get off. I know some folks think this is a plus, but I would
> like to know I missed a turn by the voice.
>
> If anyone has any comments, especially if I missed something in the
> 'CONS', I'd appreciate hearing about it.

I recently bought a 2450LM, but it is pretty much a 2460 without
Bluetooth. I've had lots of Garmin GPS units but this one is without a
doubt the fastest to acquire the satellites. By the time the main
screen is up it has the satellites. The sensitivity is amazing. It can
acquire a good signal in my family room on the first floor of a
two-story house. I now like it that there is no "Recalculating" message
anymore. I think that the 2450 is a great GPS unit.

Hugh

Hugh wrote the following:
> On 2011-05-16 18:14:41 -0400, Andrew said:
>
>> So I bit the bullet and 'upgraded' from my old Quest (small,
>> rocker-type, geekish GPS) to a new 2460 (large screen, touch) this
>> past weekend and have played with it for 3 days. If I come up with
>> others, I'll reappend.
>>
>> PROS:
>>
>> The two biggies:
>> - Mapquest from my installed Quest DID work - it picked up the new
>> maps that I was able to download using the option to download to PC
>> as was suggested in this forum), routes and waypoints ARE sent down
>> and stored to the unit (big sigh of relief on this one) using
>> Mapquest. So I can continue to map out routes from home.
>> - ALL of my datapoints (time to dest, dist to next, dist to dest, ETA
>> to dest) can be seen and/or programmed on the main navigation screen
>> (big sigh of relief on this one, too).
>>
>> Rest of the pros:
>> - Map is actually updated (Quest dropped support for maps about 3
>> years ago); of course, having the entire country in the unit is
>> nice. No longer on trips
>> will I have to re-download just sections of the country to make them
>> fit in the limited RAM that the Quest had.
>> - With the 2D navigation view, there IS a north arrow displayed
>> (despite what I was led the believe); I never had the 3D view before,
>> I tried it for a few hours, and still like 2D better...so when I
>> switched to 2D, lo and behold, the North arrow appears!
>> - The little turn indicator on upper left of screen not only shows
>> you 'distance to turn', but also what type of turn it will be (Quest
>> only showed you this when it showed the junction view close to the
>> turn itself; not so cool if you want to move over on an interstate
>> well ahead of time); this is very nice.
>> - I like turn by street name voice. The names actually are pretty
>> good in terms of relatively to proper pronunciation.
>> - Unit is much faster in terms of display updates, recalculations,
>> etc. Of course, 5 years of newer/faster microprocessor technology is
>> to be expected.
>>
>> CONS:
>>
>> - Apparently I don't have a 'junction view' like the Quest did, but
>> when one approaches the turn, the unit automagically enlarges to the
>> detail, so I can live with this.
>> - Map detail much less than the Quest. For example, rivers and parks
>> are not named. The road that one is actually ONE does not appear in
>> the screen.
>> - One can not sort alphabetically one's favorites. I note I am not
>> the only one who has voiced this concern. I can't imagine how they
>> dropped the ball on this one. (I know you can start to spell it, but
>> the amount of keystrokes is ridiculous and sometimes I don't remember
>> the exact spelling of a favorite I haven't used for a while.)
>> - When I ask it to use a route, I get a pop-up asking me to pick
>> which waypoint on the route I wish to 'go to'....duh! The last one!
>> This is a PITA.
>> - 'Recalculating' doesn't make a voice - one doesn't know one is off
>> the originally route unless one happens to see the unit recalculating
>> if you get off. I know some folks think this is a plus, but I would
>> like to know I missed a turn by the voice.
>>
>> If anyone has any comments, especially if I missed something in the
>> 'CONS', I'd appreciate hearing about it.
>
> I recently bought a 2450LM, but it is pretty much a 2460 without
> Bluetooth. I've had lots of Garmin GPS units but this one is without a
> doubt the fastest to acquire the satellites. By the time the main
> screen is up it has the satellites. The sensitivity is amazing. It can
> acquire a good signal in my family room on the first floor of a
> two-story house. I now like it that there is no "Recalculating"
> message anymore. I think that the 2450 is a great GPS unit.
>
> Hugh
>
>
$189 on Amazon. The only reason I wouldn't buy it is the lack of Bluetooth.
I'll wait for the 2460 to come down in price (currently $300 at Amazon).

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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"Andrew" wrote

> 2. Recalculating via voice: NO! The 2460LMT does NOT announce
> 'recalculating';

I don't understand this at all, as mine does no matter which voice I've
tried. I have not changed any menu settings in this regard. I think, though,
that if I could turn it off I would. That's at least because sometimes it
will announce "recalculating" even if I've not veered from the route.