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GijsWuyts
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      02-26-2004, 03:04 PM
According to different press releases the USA has agreed that the EU
develops a different and independant satelite navigation system,
called Galileo.
Untill recently the USA were opposing such a network, since it would
harm their national security.
Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
to approve or oppose such ideas?
Of course it would leave them out of control, so when the US is again
attacking a country they cannot disconnect the GPS signal!!!
Who are they that they think they own the sole right to satelite
navigation?

Gijs
 
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Roffee
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      02-26-2004, 08:24 PM

"GijsWuyts" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> According to different press releases the USA has agreed that the EU
> develops a different and independant satelite navigation system,
> called Galileo.
> Untill recently the USA were opposing such a network, since it would
> harm their national security.
> Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
> to approve or oppose such ideas?
> Of course it would leave them out of control, so when the US is again
> attacking a country they cannot disconnect the GPS signal!!!
> Who are they that they think they own the sole right to satelite
> navigation?
>
> Gijs


Gijs: You must be ignorant, stupid or something.

US oppose to such system just because the goverment has sole right to know
how any situation in the world should be handled. They know who are the bad
guys and decide who should be the good ones. Please don't come here and
think that any other country in the world should even consider thinking they
know better. If US has full control over navigation system, then they can
rule in a democratic way that benefits all peaceful nations. Democratic, as
long as you dont oppose to it, that is.

Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :-)

-Roffee



 
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Roland Dieterich
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      02-26-2004, 10:00 PM
GijsWuyts wrote:

> Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
> to approve or oppose such ideas?


"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

At least the US recognize the military impact of a system like Galileo.
Most Europeans don't even think about this aspect and the EU + ESA
always talk about the civilian nature of Galileo. But is this really true?

Just think about modern military. They need an accurate - and worldwide
- positioning system. Under their own control. And since relations
between Old Europe and the New World have become more difficult than
ever (not that they have been too cheerfully in the past, just think
about NATO and De Gaulle), Galileo is the natural solution.

You realy belive in the money coming from the private sector? No, these
billions of Euros will be spent anyway, out of our tax pockets. With the
military sector as the driving force.

MfG, Roland
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Mussu
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      02-27-2004, 07:30 AM

"Roland Dieterich" <(E-Mail Removed)> kirjoitti viestissä
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> GijsWuyts wrote:
>
> > Now I have a question. Where does the US government get the authority
> > to approve or oppose such ideas?

>
> "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao
>
> At least the US recognize the military impact of a system like Galileo.
> Most Europeans don't even think about this aspect and the EU + ESA
> always talk about the civilian nature of Galileo. But is this really true?


If not, so what? Do you think that Europe has not any right for military
defence, independent from US?

> You realy belive in the money coming from the private sector? No, these
> billions of Euros will be spent anyway, out of our tax pockets. With the
> military sector as the driving force.


http://europa.eu.int/comm/space/prog/galileo_en.html

How will it be financed?

The start-up costs through to 2008 for this system are estimated at 3.25
billion. Much of the financing will be raised through an open public-private
partnership scheme.
Study phase
Almost 80 million from European funds have already been allocated for this
study phase, now nearing completion.
Development phase (2001-2006)
A joint (Union/ESA) public funding of 1.1 billion is budgeted. On March
2001, a group of industrialists (service providers, operators, space system
and parts manufacturers) agreed to set up a joint company with an investment
of 200 million. They will play an active role in defining the services
offered by Galileo.
Deployment phase (2006-2007)
The satellite deployment phase should be achieved with a financing of 2.1
billion, most of which will be raised by the private sector.
Operational phase (2008)
Maintenance costs are estimated at 220 million a year.


 
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Mussu
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      02-27-2004, 07:36 AM

"Roffee" <(E-Mail Removed)> kirjoitti viestissä
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> US oppose to such system just because the goverment has sole right to know
> how any situation in the world should be handled. They know who are the

bad
> guys and decide who should be the good ones. Please don't come here and
> think that any other country in the world should even consider thinking

they
> know better. If US has full control over navigation system, then they can
> rule in a democratic way that benefits all peaceful nations. Democratic,

as
> long as you dont oppose to it, that is.
>
> Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :-)


Not at all political, only realistic and fine summary on recent global
situation.


 
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Tom Cat
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      02-28-2004, 04:56 PM
"Roffee" <(E-Mail Removed)> schreef op 26 feb 2004 in
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> Gijs: You must be ignorant, stupid or something.


I agree he put it in a rather blunt way.

> US oppose to such system just because the goverment has sole right to
> know how any situation in the world should be handled. They know who are
> the bad guys and decide who should be the good ones. Please don't come
> here and think that any other country in the world should even consider
> thinking they know better.


Hum, did you say anything about being ignorant, stupid or something ?

> If US has full control over navigation
> system, then they can rule in a democratic way that benefits all
> peaceful nations. Democratic, as long as you dont oppose to it, that is.


Strange kind of democracy.

> Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :-)


Me neither. ;-)

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Tom Cat

 
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Edmund
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      03-01-2004, 05:29 PM
In message <Xns949DB68EDBCDKater@195.130.132.68>, Tom Cat wrote:
> "Roffee" <(E-Mail Removed)> schreef op 26 feb 2004 in
> news:403e5840$(E-Mail Removed):
>


> > If US has full control over navigation
> > system, then they can rule in a democratic way that benefits all
> > peaceful nations. Democratic, as long as you dont oppose to it, that is.

>
> Strange kind of democracy.


That what he meant.
>
> > Sorry for this political touch - but sometimes I can't resist :-)

>
> Me neither. ;-)
>



 
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