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      02-16-2008, 08:42 AM
See post above entitled: RM800 - Problem with Update 2 DVD-ROM".

After three "1 hour" sessions with their "off shore" support staff and a
whole lot of grief and still no result, I give up. I've had American Express
cancel the charge for the map update, and I'm preparing the documentation
in case Magellan comes after me for it.

To recap:

I purchased the Magellan RM800 Map Update Version 2.0 NA DVD-ROM (Part# 950-0003-001).
Originally, the part was shipped from Calif. and arrived in outer packaging with a stock label
indicating the above part # and an packing slip indicating the same part number. HOWEVER,
the DVD-Rom contained inside the packaging indicated part # 703-0046-001, albeit it, too was
labeled "RM800 Software Upd. Version 2 - NA."

Upon inserting the DVD-ROM, it did nothing but hang in the PC (PC is running XP Pro). It made
Windows Explorer hang as well when attempting to view the contents of the DVD-ROM. I tried
it on several different machines, and in each case, similar results - either hanging/freezing or
extremely sluggish behavior and "CRC Error" messages when attempting to copy from the disc.
In no case did the "Autorun.inf" file process correctly.

My 1st call to their "support center" resulted in 1hr of poking and proding and all kinds of
manipulation of config files (MSConfig) etc. on several different workstations, all with the same
result. As others have stated here, they were "courteous" and "polite," but they all acted like
"drones," and every time they transfered me to someone else, each person wanted me to
repeat the same steps the previous person asked me to do and wanted to take the same info.
from me. UGGGGHHH! In the end, the tech rep wanted to replace my disc and send me
another. That made no sense to me as a 2nd disc would do the same thing (assuming the
same part# SNAFU would happen again). I hung up and continued on my own.

By my 2nd hr long call (I had an "account" and a case # by then), I recognized the part #
SNAFU and tried to explain this to the tech rep. He wasn't buying any of it and attempted to
get me to repeat all the MSCOnfig steps I had tried in the 1st Call. Again, very polite and
courteous (almost to the point of "ad nauseum.") I mean, there comes a point when even
the cheeriest of salses reps knows that being "cheerier" in the face of an aggrivated customer
is counterproductive! I decided to let them ship me a 2nd disc. I asked him to verify the
part # and he told me part# 950-0003-001). I said, OK Ship it.... He said two weeks.

Valentines Day: 02/14 - The replacement arrived 10 days later from the same warehouse
as the 1st in the same packaging as the 1st, with the same outer stock label (950-0003-001).
Inside, a packing slip with the same part# (950-0003-001) and the same bin/stock location
as the previous disc. And upon opening the disc packaging.........

Part# 703-0046-001. They did it AGAIN!!! Sent me the same damned incorrect disc which
failed the same way the 1st did!!! Just like I knew they would!!!

Now we're at FUBAR level!! I called them a 3rd time for another hour session, and again,
they tried to make me go through all those different MSConfig steps etc. but I refused. I
made them get me a supervisor, which itself took 20min while they "entered the info."
After 15 minutes of explaining the part# FUBAR to this "supervisor," who again tried to
get me in vain to be cheerful ("So what are your plans for this weekend???")
<< GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR >>, the final result was:


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"I'm sorry sir, but we cannot ship you another disc as we are out of stock. I can offer that
you send your unit to our service department and we will update it here ourselves."


FAT F***ing CHANCE!!!

I hung up, and immediately filed a dispute with American Express. Thankfully, the original
charge has not yet been formally invoiced.


So that's it! I'm done with Magellan. Time to move onto Garrmin or TomTom or *anything!*
A pity, since the unit itself is pretty decent and has served me well.

What a CF!





____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
 
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      02-16-2008, 11:50 AM

"mag3" <zmpmag3-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> See post above entitled: RM800 - Problem with Update 2 DVD-ROM".
>
> After three "1 hour" sessions with their "off shore" support staff and a
> whole lot of grief and still no result, I give up. I've had American
> Express
> cancel the charge for the map update, and I'm preparing the documentation
> in case Magellan comes after me for it.


Hey Arnold,

Ping me billSPAM27612atyahoodotcom

(remove the obvious)


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Pieter
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      02-17-2008, 04:52 PM
I believe some "copy protected" software depends on physical abnormalities
in the CD surface to prevent successful copying. However, these same
anti-copy features may also inhibit some programs from running. It may be
that two copies of exactly the same copy protected CD will operate in quite
different ways. I have heard of some other software packages where a
replacement disk has worked OK. If the Map Update disk is copy protected,
this might be why Magellan is so insistant on just replacing it.

Mid you, this is not a defence of Magellan or their customer service
policies.

I recently had a similarly frustrating experince with an HP printer that
completely died after being in use 2 months. One customer service rep (an
offshore) said it was "your fault" that I couldn't use their net service
site since my system seems to have pop-up windows blocked. I said it was
"his fault" that they couldn't write decent site code that didn't employ
pop-ups. I was asked by 4 consecutive service reps (as I climbed the
corporate ladder of responsibility) to perfom the exact same tests
over-and-over. Finally when I suggested to the Ultinate Supervisor that
maybe my state's attorney general would be interested in helping me, they
decided I needed a replacement. It would have been nice to get that
response from the first rep I spoke with, but I am guessing that hardware
replacements may require that someone from level # 4 authorize the exchange,
so suffering through 3 rounds of b.s. is required to get there. Such is the
state of offshore, scripted, low cost customer service these days.


"mag3" <zmpmag3-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> See post above entitled: RM800 - Problem with Update 2 DVD-ROM".
>
> After three "1 hour" sessions with their "off shore" support staff and a
> whole lot of grief and still no result, I give up. I've had American
> Express
> cancel the charge for the map update, and I'm preparing the documentation
> in case Magellan comes after me for it.
>
> To recap:
>
> I purchased the Magellan RM800 Map Update Version 2.0 NA DVD-ROM (Part#
> 950-0003-001).
> Originally, the part was shipped from Calif. and arrived in outer
> packaging with a stock label
> indicating the above part # and an packing slip indicating the same part
> number. HOWEVER,
> the DVD-Rom contained inside the packaging indicated part # 703-0046-001,
> albeit it, too was
> labeled "RM800 Software Upd. Version 2 - NA."
>
> Upon inserting the DVD-ROM, it did nothing but hang in the PC (PC is
> running XP Pro). It made
> Windows Explorer hang as well when attempting to view the contents of the
> DVD-ROM. I tried
> it on several different machines, and in each case, similar results -
> either hanging/freezing or
> extremely sluggish behavior and "CRC Error" messages when attempting to
> copy from the disc.
> In no case did the "Autorun.inf" file process correctly.
>
> My 1st call to their "support center" resulted in 1hr of poking and
> proding and all kinds of
> manipulation of config files (MSConfig) etc. on several different
> workstations, all with the same
> result. As others have stated here, they were "courteous" and "polite,"
> but they all acted like
> "drones," and every time they transfered me to someone else, each person
> wanted me to
> repeat the same steps the previous person asked me to do and wanted to
> take the same info.
> from me. UGGGGHHH! In the end, the tech rep wanted to replace my disc
> and send me
> another. That made no sense to me as a 2nd disc would do the same thing
> (assuming the
> same part# SNAFU would happen again). I hung up and continued on my own.
>
> By my 2nd hr long call (I had an "account" and a case # by then), I
> recognized the part #
> SNAFU and tried to explain this to the tech rep. He wasn't buying any of
> it and attempted to
> get me to repeat all the MSCOnfig steps I had tried in the 1st Call.
> Again, very polite and
> courteous (almost to the point of "ad nauseum.") I mean, there comes a
> point when even
> the cheeriest of salses reps knows that being "cheerier" in the face of an
> aggrivated customer
> is counterproductive! I decided to let them ship me a 2nd disc. I asked
> him to verify the
> part # and he told me part# 950-0003-001). I said, OK Ship it.... He said
> two weeks.
>
> Valentines Day: 02/14 - The replacement arrived 10 days later from the
> same warehouse
> as the 1st in the same packaging as the 1st, with the same outer stock
> label (950-0003-001).
> Inside, a packing slip with the same part# (950-0003-001) and the same
> bin/stock location
> as the previous disc. And upon opening the disc packaging.........
>
> Part# 703-0046-001. They did it AGAIN!!! Sent me the same damned
> incorrect disc which
> failed the same way the 1st did!!! Just like I knew they would!!!
>
> Now we're at FUBAR level!! I called them a 3rd time for another hour
> session, and again,
> they tried to make me go through all those different MSConfig steps etc.
> but I refused. I
> made them get me a supervisor, which itself took 20min while they "entered
> the info."
> After 15 minutes of explaining the part# FUBAR to this "supervisor," who
> again tried to
> get me in vain to be cheerful ("So what are your plans for this
> weekend???")
> << GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR >>, the final result was:
>
>
> |
> |
> V
>
>
> "I'm sorry sir, but we cannot ship you another disc as we are out of
> stock. I can offer that
> you send your unit to our service department and we will update it here
> ourselves."
>
>
> FAT F***ing CHANCE!!!
>
> I hung up, and immediately filed a dispute with American Express.
> Thankfully, the original
> charge has not yet been formally invoiced.
>
>
> So that's it! I'm done with Magellan. Time to move onto Garrmin or
> TomTom or *anything!*
> A pity, since the unit itself is pretty decent and has served me well.
>
> What a CF!
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold



 
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      02-17-2008, 07:33 PM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:52:56 -0500, "Pieter" <pvcl@*nospam*plitch.com> wrote:

>I believe some "copy protected" software depends on physical abnormalities
>in the CD surface to prevent successful copying. However, these same
>anti-copy features may also inhibit some programs from running. It may be
>that two copies of exactly the same copy protected CD will operate in quite
>different ways. I have heard of some other software packages where a
>replacement disk has worked OK. If the Map Update disk is copy protected,
>this might be why Magellan is so insistant on just replacing it.


Quite possible, but I'd be curious as to why they would go to the trouble of
making the DVD-ROM "copy protected" when it also requires an "unlock" key code
which is a function of the serial number of your unit and which they send separately.
T'would seem to be a bit of "overkill" securitywise.... I understand that these are
Navteq maps, so they may be under the gun to keep the data protected from someone
who might try to hack the DVD-ROM without a code.

Nonetheless, the Part# SNAFU is something I'd like resolved by the people who actually
sent the product to me. I could accept "copy protection" a lot better if everything had
the same part # associated with it. I'm wondering if perhaps they put a DVD-ROM for
Mac/Linux PC's inside an envelope for Wintel PC's (and I don't have access to a MAC or
Linux box to test that).


>Mind you, this is not a defence of Magellan or their customer service
>policies.


Understood. And *that*, of course, is the greater issue. Had I been able to speak to
someone in the same place from where the disc was manufactured/shipped, I think
things might have gone a lot easier. Certainly a part # SNAFU might.

> Finally when I suggested to the Ultinate Supervisor that
>maybe my state's attorney general would be interested in helping me, they
>decided I needed a replacement. It would have been nice to get that
>response from the first rep I spoke with, but I am guessing that hardware
>replacements may require that someone from level # 4 authorize the exchange,
>so suffering through 3 rounds of b.s. is required to get there. Such is the
>state of offshore, scripted, low cost customer service these days.


Yes it is.... I think I will need to follow a similar path and reach out via the Consumer
Protection Agency.

I will keep all posted.
____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold
 
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      03-18-2008, 06:59 AM
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:42:46 GMT, mag3 <zmpmag3-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>See post above entitled: RM800 - Problem with Update 2 DVD-ROM".
>
>After three "1 hour" sessions with their "off shore" support staff and a
>whole lot of grief and still no result, I give up. I've had American Express
>cancel the charge for the map update, and I'm preparing the documentation
>in case Magellan comes after me for it.
>


Update: As of today 03/18/2008, The credit card company seems to have settled the
dispute for the charge in my favor and refunded my money. so No harm/foul there.

I did contact Magellan's public relations manager, who offered me a "swap" for a
Maestro Unit. I told him that this really wasn't necessary... that my current unit functioned
quite well (although it could use a new battery) and since I also had invested a lot of money
in accessories that only fit my present unit, I wanted to keep it. What I really wanted was for
the software update to work and for their customer service to get better.

I must have scared him off. Haven't heard from him since. Oh well. I'll use this until it wares
out, and then I'll look at Garmin or TomTom. After all, they're pretty much all "Navteq" maps
anyway... :-)


____________________________________________
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Arnold
 
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      04-21-2008, 04:29 PM

"mag3" <zmpmag3-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> See post above entitled: RM800 - Problem with Update 2 DVD-ROM".
>
> After three "1 hour" sessions with their "off shore" support staff and a
> whole lot of grief and still no result, I give up. I've had American
> Express
> cancel the charge for the map update, and I'm preparing the documentation
> in case Magellan comes after me for it.
>
> To recap:
>
> I purchased the Magellan RM800 Map Update Version 2.0 NA DVD-ROM (Part#
> 950-0003-001).


Nothing like friendly corporate decisions based upon customer retension ...
Downsizing IT solutions to keep the almighty buck is nice, so much for
making customers happy...

Tell us how we can improve. Your feedback gives us the opportunity to better
serve you. The Magellan Customer Care Team is ready to listen and answer
your concerns. Use this form or send us a fax at 800-805-6003.


 
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